The Official Scottish Rugby Thread
-
- Posts: 184
- Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:51 am
Time for Duncan Hodge to go, simple as.
Edinburgh have the best backs they've had for a long time and they're regressing.
Edinburgh have the best backs they've had for a long time and they're regressing.
It is too simplistic to say only Hodge should go. The overall game plan is RC's call. The forwards are regressing and the game plan is awful.mos_eisely_ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:49 am Time for Duncan Hodge to go, simple as.
Edinburgh have the best backs they've had for a long time and they're regressing.
To be fair, Edinburgh were beaten by the team who are leading the Top14, and the difference was a one howling error.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
- clydecloggie
- Posts: 1197
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:31 am
so South Africa and Ireland in 3 years time. At least it will be nice for our team to catch up with their cousins and brothers when they play those two - it's a Group of Braai.
World Cup feel to be provided, in all probability, by Tonga (or Samoa) and Spain (or Portugal, Romania, Russia, Belgium, The Netherlands - roughly in that order of likelihood).
Distant third favourites to qualify for the quarters.
World Cup feel to be provided, in all probability, by Tonga (or Samoa) and Spain (or Portugal, Romania, Russia, Belgium, The Netherlands - roughly in that order of likelihood).
Distant third favourites to qualify for the quarters.
- clydecloggie
- Posts: 1197
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:31 am
Aye, forgot to add that even if we somehow make it past Ireland, there is absolutely zero chance of progression beyond the quarters with NZ or France as the opponent.
-
- Posts: 429
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:51 pm
The thing is by failing to reach the quarters we will be in the third group again in the next draw
It's done on world rankings, not past rwc performance. But they decided to pick the start of this year due to the pandemic.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:29 pm The thing is by failing to reach the quarters we will be in the third group again in the next draw
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
-
- Posts: 429
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:51 pm
I know but don't RWC results carry extra ranking points? We really need to find a way to beat Ireland and Wales regularly if we are to cement a top 8 spot.Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:32 pmIt's done on world rankings, not past rwc performance. But they decided to pick the start of this year due to the pandemic.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:29 pm The thing is by failing to reach the quarters we will be in the third group again in the next draw
-
- Posts: 1855
- Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:53 am
Essentially the draw for this tournament was based on the last, with Scotland's ranking of 9 at the time of the draw a direct result of Japan's good tournament. Our ranking has been 8 all year save January 2020, presumably that is why that month was chosenAnd 1 guest wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:39 pmI know but don't RWC results carry extra ranking points? We really need to find a way to beat Ireland and Wales regularly if we are to cement a top 8 spot.Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:32 pmIt's done on world rankings, not past rwc performance. But they decided to pick the start of this year due to the pandemic.And 1 guest wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:29 pm The thing is by failing to reach the quarters we will be in the third group again in the next draw
WR have said that in future years they will change the draw to be closer to the tournament, but I wouldn't hold your breath because they said that last time. We have to go into the tournament with a strong enough ranking that we can survive coming third in our group I guess, either that or learn to beat Ireland.
Edit: to add, it's not as simple as it being based on ranking points because it depends who you play. If, for instance, SA and Ireland were ranked 1 and 2 in the world going into the tournament, we would lose relatively few points compared to losing to Japan, who were ranked 9th when they beat us in Japan.
ahh come on everyone. We normally do OK against SA and by then we will be beating Ireland regularlyclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:22 pm so South Africa and Ireland in 3 years time. At least it will be nice for our team to catch up with their cousins and brothers when they play those two - it's a Group of Braai.
World Cup feel to be provided, in all probability, by Tonga (or Samoa) and Spain (or Portugal, Romania, Russia, Belgium, The Netherlands - roughly in that order of likelihood).
Distant third favourites to qualify for the quarters.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
- clydecloggie
- Posts: 1197
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:31 am
We do 'OK' against SA in the sense that we rarely get a pasting. But the last time we beat them outside of Edinburgh was in 1906. And over recent years we have been competitive in games against them but eventually just get beaten to a pulp through their ridiculous physicality. I don't see that changing between now and 2023.Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:22 pmahh come on everyone. We normally do OK against SA and by then we will be beating Ireland regularlyclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:22 pm so South Africa and Ireland in 3 years time. At least it will be nice for our team to catch up with their cousins and brothers when they play those two - it's a Group of Braai.
World Cup feel to be provided, in all probability, by Tonga (or Samoa) and Spain (or Portugal, Romania, Russia, Belgium, The Netherlands - roughly in that order of likelihood).
Distant third favourites to qualify for the quarters.
Ireland...we get two home matches and one away match against them before the RWC - let's see if can get on an even keel. The Autumn Nations Cup match last week was more of the same unfortunately.
I had Monty Python come to mind when I read that - tis but a scratchclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:25 pmWe do 'OK' against SA in the sense that we rarely get a pasting. But the last time we beat them outside of Edinburgh was in 1906. And over recent years we have been competitive in games against them but eventually just get beaten to a pulp through their ridiculous physicality. I don't see that changing between now and 2023.Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:22 pmahh come on everyone. We normally do OK against SA and by then we will be beating Ireland regularlyclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:22 pm so South Africa and Ireland in 3 years time. At least it will be nice for our team to catch up with their cousins and brothers when they play those two - it's a Group of Braai.
World Cup feel to be provided, in all probability, by Tonga (or Samoa) and Spain (or Portugal, Romania, Russia, Belgium, The Netherlands - roughly in that order of likelihood).
Distant third favourites to qualify for the quarters.
Ireland...we get two home matches and one away match against them before the RWC - let's see if can get on an even keel. The Autumn Nations Cup match last week was more of the same unfortunately.
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
We’re fecked. I’d have any of the other pools over ours. Pool A - we could get a result against France on a good day. Pool C - Wales are shithouse atm and we know how to beat Australia. Pool D - Japan beat us in Japan, but I’d fancy our chances otherwise. But we won’t beat SA in a RWC pool, and frankly on current evidence the chances of us beating Ireland are even worse.
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
-
- Posts: 3582
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:37 am
No chance are Scotland bearing France in France. France NZ would've been the worst draw.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:12 pm We’re fecked. I’d have any of the other pools over ours. Pool A - we could get a result against France on a good day. Pool C - Wales are shithouse atm and we know how to beat Australia. Pool D - Japan beat us in Japan, but I’d fancy our chances otherwise. But we won’t beat SA in a RWC pool, and frankly on current evidence the chances of us beating Ireland are even worse.
I had forgotten it was in France when I posted that, but I still think we’d have a better chance of beating France than of beating Ireland. I actually think we’d have a better chance of beating literally anyone else apart from NZ. We seem to have developed a massive psychological problem with playing Ireland.I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:28 pmNo chance are Scotland bearing France in France. France NZ would've been the worst draw.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:12 pm We’re fecked. I’d have any of the other pools over ours. Pool A - we could get a result against France on a good day. Pool C - Wales are shithouse atm and we know how to beat Australia. Pool D - Japan beat us in Japan, but I’d fancy our chances otherwise. But we won’t beat SA in a RWC pool, and frankly on current evidence the chances of us beating Ireland are even worse.
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
Alternatively, outside of South Africa, we beat them one time in three.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:25 pmWe do 'OK' against SA in the sense that we rarely get a pasting. But the last time we beat them outside of Edinburgh was in 1906. And over recent years we have been competitive in games against them but eventually just get beaten to a pulp through their ridiculous physicality. I don't see that changing between now and 2023.Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:22 pmahh come on everyone. We normally do OK against SA and by then we will be beating Ireland regularlyclydecloggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:22 pm so South Africa and Ireland in 3 years time. At least it will be nice for our team to catch up with their cousins and brothers when they play those two - it's a Group of Braai.
World Cup feel to be provided, in all probability, by Tonga (or Samoa) and Spain (or Portugal, Romania, Russia, Belgium, The Netherlands - roughly in that order of likelihood).
Distant third favourites to qualify for the quarters.
Ireland...we get two home matches and one away match against them before the RWC - let's see if can get on an even keel. The Autumn Nations Cup match last week was more of the same unfortunately.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Bloody English on the BBC site saying this amounts to a pool stage exit. He’s probably right, but the sheer relish with which he puts the boot into Scotland is just ghoulish.
Right. I guess we have 2.5 years to figure out a game plan that doesn’t produce the exact same game v Ireland we seem to get every time we meet now, where we start out looking OK and get bullied into submission.
Right. I guess we have 2.5 years to figure out a game plan that doesn’t produce the exact same game v Ireland we seem to get every time we meet now, where we start out looking OK and get bullied into submission.
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
Just seen a link to Jamie Lyall on Twitter saying Adam Hastings is off to Gloucester after turning down a new deal. I know that having just two teams means players have to move on in order to bring through new guys, but on the heels of the news about Duhan, it does seem as if neither team can catch a break.
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
-
- Posts: 1855
- Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:53 am
£100 we open with South Africa and then play Ireland 4 days later, while Ireland open to Romania and play us a week later...and we get squashed.
Last edited by KingBlairhorn on Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 1855
- Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:53 am
So what's the strategy? Replace with an SQ player (i.e. Healy from Munster) or throw serious dosh at a non-SQ import with a view to mentoring a SQ qualified youngster as second choice? My thinking is the latter is a better option - 10 isn't currently a great worry for Scotland and Glasgow need a serious pick-me-up to get them going again as a serious force. A massive signing at 10 could definitely achieve that.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:04 pm Just seen a link to Jamie Lyall on Twitter saying Adam Hastings is off to Gloucester after turning down a new deal. I know that having just two teams means players have to move on in order to bring through new guys, but on the heels of the news about Duhan, it does seem as if neither team can catch a break.
Would love to know the fiscal impact of last 9 months, can't see SRU funding any decent signings.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:18 amSo what's the strategy? Replace with an SQ player (i.e. Healy from Munster) or throw serious dosh at a non-SQ import with a view to mentoring a SQ qualified youngster as second choice? My thinking is the latter is a better option - 10 isn't currently a great worry for Scotland and Glasgow need a serious pick-me-up to get them going again as a serious force. A massive signing at 10 could definitely achieve that.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:04 pm Just seen a link to Jamie Lyall on Twitter saying Adam Hastings is off to Gloucester after turning down a new deal. I know that having just two teams means players have to move on in order to bring through new guys, but on the heels of the news about Duhan, it does seem as if neither team can catch a break.
And on the 7th day, the Lord said "Let there be Finn Russell".
-
- Posts: 1855
- Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:53 am
Dodson was quoted saying it was forecast as a c. £40m drop in revenues; that was pre-Autumn Nations Cup (+£2m-£2.5m), CVC (+£25m-£30m), government grant (+£15m), government loan (+£5m) and furlough (+?). It also (given it was a revenue drop) did not consider reduced OPEX such as player wage cuts (-£?) and reduced matchday costs (-£?) and costs associated with rugby development such as community coaching, schools rugby etc. (-£?).Caley_Red wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:30 amWould love to know the fiscal impact of last 9 months, can't see SRU funding any decent signings.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:18 amSo what's the strategy? Replace with an SQ player (i.e. Healy from Munster) or throw serious dosh at a non-SQ import with a view to mentoring a SQ qualified youngster as second choice? My thinking is the latter is a better option - 10 isn't currently a great worry for Scotland and Glasgow need a serious pick-me-up to get them going again as a serious force. A massive signing at 10 could definitely achieve that.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:04 pm Just seen a link to Jamie Lyall on Twitter saying Adam Hastings is off to Gloucester after turning down a new deal. I know that having just two teams means players have to move on in order to bring through new guys, but on the heels of the news about Duhan, it does seem as if neither team can catch a break.
I would say the SRU are likely to come out of this in okay shape - the biggest impact is probably that the CVC money will be used to even the keel rather than developing the game which is a huge blow.
Think they were ring fencing the CVC money weren't they, not using it for running costs during the pandemic. Think they'll come out of it ok, but being able to sell 25.000 tickets for each of three 6 Nations games would be a big help.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:40 amDodson was quoted saying it was forecast as a c. £40m drop in revenues; that was pre-Autumn Nations Cup (+£2m-£2.5m), CVC (+£25m-£30m), government grant (+£15m), government loan (+£5m) and furlough (+?). It also (given it was a revenue drop) did not consider reduced OPEX such as player wage cuts (-£?) and reduced matchday costs (-£?) and costs associated with rugby development such as community coaching, schools rugby etc. (-£?).Caley_Red wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:30 amWould love to know the fiscal impact of last 9 months, can't see SRU funding any decent signings.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:18 am
So what's the strategy? Replace with an SQ player (i.e. Healy from Munster) or throw serious dosh at a non-SQ import with a view to mentoring a SQ qualified youngster as second choice? My thinking is the latter is a better option - 10 isn't currently a great worry for Scotland and Glasgow need a serious pick-me-up to get them going again as a serious force. A massive signing at 10 could definitely achieve that.
I would say the SRU are likely to come out of this in okay shape - the biggest impact is probably that the CVC money will be used to even the keel rather than developing the game which is a huge blow.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
-
- Posts: 1855
- Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:53 am
I missed that, that is certainly good news from a development perspective. I do wonder what they plan to do with it, but selling the family silver to keep the wolves from the door is never a good plan!Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:14 amThink they were ring fencing the CVC money weren't they, not using it for running costs during the pandemic. Think they'll come out of it ok, but being able to sell 25.000 tickets for each of three 6 Nations games would be a big help.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:40 amDodson was quoted saying it was forecast as a c. £40m drop in revenues; that was pre-Autumn Nations Cup (+£2m-£2.5m), CVC (+£25m-£30m), government grant (+£15m), government loan (+£5m) and furlough (+?). It also (given it was a revenue drop) did not consider reduced OPEX such as player wage cuts (-£?) and reduced matchday costs (-£?) and costs associated with rugby development such as community coaching, schools rugby etc. (-£?).
I would say the SRU are likely to come out of this in okay shape - the biggest impact is probably that the CVC money will be used to even the keel rather than developing the game which is a huge blow.
The Scottish Government's £15m was a huge help though, that more or less covers the pro teams for an entire year.
Yup. That’ll be the schedule. You can take it to the bank.KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:14 am£100 we open with South Africa and then play Ireland 4 days later, while Ireland open to Romania and play us a week later...and we get squashed.
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
Tom English
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Just a genuine question here. Surprised by both Scottish pro teams' performances this year. Edinburgh under Cockerill really looked like they were the business last season, up there to win it maybe this (if they or anyone can get passed Leinster). What's happening?
Answers on a post card please.LandOTurk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:23 pm Just a genuine question here. Surprised by both Scottish pro teams' performances this year. Edinburgh under Cockerill really looked like they were the business last season, up there to win it maybe this (if they or anyone can get passed Leinster). What's happening?
And on the 7th day, the Lord said "Let there be Finn Russell".
-
- Posts: 3582
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:37 am
Edinburgh and Glasgow have both been gutted by injuries and Scotland not releasing fringe players from a covid bubble so the teams they've put out have been very poor.LandOTurk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:23 pm Just a genuine question here. Surprised by both Scottish pro teams' performances this year. Edinburgh under Cockerill really looked like they were the business last season, up there to win it maybe this (if they or anyone can get passed Leinster). What's happening?
I'd expect better performances when internationals return.
- clydecloggie
- Posts: 1197
- Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:31 am
Partly exacerbated by Edinburgh's 'classic' (friendly euphemism) game plan which it looks like the competition have worked out.