So, coronavirus...

[frodder]

Yep, that's the take away for me following this casually. It's vaccines not working on new strains that shits me up.

Basically anything that threatens the exit strategy

We have an exit strategy?

I’ve got a bottle of wine and couple of half finished series on Netflix to finish. Will that do?

If there's a takeaway involved then you're all good

[Nickdemus]

Cloggs... You twat

[Un Pilier]

Kent strain appears to be more 30% deadly.

Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.

Yes, but according to Jonathan Ashworth ..........

The news that the new variant of coronavirus may be more deadly is "deeply alarming," said the shadow health secretary, "not least because Boris Johnson assured the nation back in December there was no evidence the variant was more dangerous."

What. A. Shameless. Divisive. Exploitative...... add your own perjoratives. I despair of these people.

[Margin__Walker]

If one was to play politics with it, then the new strain being more deadly actually works for the government narrative surely.

They can imply the high death rate now is overwhelmingly due to the impact of the new strain and minimise the focus on their inaction pre Christmas.

[Saint]

Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.

Yep, that's the take away for me following this casually. It's vaccines not working on new strains that shits me up.

Basically anything that threatens the exit strategy

From what I've read, the way coronaviruses mutate means we'd be more likely to see a gradual reduction in effectiveness rather than a single mutation which snaps the vaccines to useless. Which would probably mean that it'd be a good few years before the vaccine needed to be changed.

That's the belief, certainly. Whether that's actually the case we don't know

[Saint]

Kent strain appears to be more 30% deadly.

Very early data so far on that - more compelling is that it's nearly certain that the vaccine is effective against this strain. Less certainty about the other two, but still likely.

Yes, but according to Jonathan Ashworth ..........

The news that the new variant of coronavirus may be more deadly is "deeply alarming," said the shadow health secretary, "not least because Boris Johnson assured the nation back in December there was no evidence the variant was more dangerous."

What. A. Shameless. Divisive. Exploitative...... add your own perjoratives. I despair of these people.

Yeah, well, he's taking his cue from the Sainted Starmer. Hard to expect more tbh

[fishfoodie]

Aren't the new rules in place now ?

So that in theory; all these people will have had a negative test before they got on the flights that brought them to the UK border ?

It still looks shit; but in theory, at least, they've all a test saying they aren't infected.

[Saint]

Aren't the new rules in place now ?

So that in theory; all these people will have had a negative test before they got on the flights that brought them to the UK border ?

It still looks shit; but in theory, at least, they've all a test saying they aren't infected.

Up to 72 hours before; but there's still a decent window, and in that environment you would only need 1 or 2 carriers to infect the entire room.

[Sandstorm]

UK has always had two options: close the border or wait for the vaccine. A sensible govt would do both.

Sadly we’re still just going for the latter and many thousands more will die.

[Margin__Walker]

Brother in law (immuno supressed following cancer) got his first shot at a drive through vaccination centre in Manchester today. Was apparently a very slick operation.

Definitely seem to be getting it done, so hopefully the only limiting factor will be supply.

[Saint]

Brother in law (immuno supressed following cancer) got his first shot at a drive through vaccination centre in Manchester today. Was apparently a very slick operation.

Definitely seem to be getting it done, so hopefully the only limiting factor will be supply.

I think it's pretty clear that there's a supply challenge right now. Whether it's manufacturing, testing, distribution, etc is less than obvious and the government aren't all that interested in sharing the detail.

[tc27]

Brother in law (immuno supressed following cancer) got his first shot at a drive through vaccination centre in Manchester today. Was apparently a very slick operation.

Definitely seem to be getting it done, so hopefully the only limiting factor will be supply.

I think it's pretty clear that there's a supply challenge right now. Whether it's manufacturing, testing, distribution, etc is less than obvious and the government aren't all that interested in sharing the detail.

This seems to confirm: https://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk ... cle/126223

500k less doses next week.

[tabascoboy]

Wuhan marks its anniversary with triumph and denial


Wuhan has long since recovered from the world's first outbreak of Covid-19. It is now being remembered not as a disaster but as a victory, and with an insistence that the virus came from somewhere - anywhere - but here.
...
Instead of publishing its own evidence though, China appears to be taking an anywhere-but-Wuhan approach, with state media cheerleading the idea that the virus may have arrived in Wuhan on frozen food imports or talking cryptically of "multiple origins". At a recent daily press briefing, I asked China's Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Hua Chunying, why such narratives were being promoted in the absence of real scientific evidence.

"Your question reveals your prejudice against China," she replied. "Reports have emerged from Australia, Italy and many other countries that the coronavirus was found in multiple places in the autumn of 2019."

"Aren't these all facts?" she asked.

Not according to Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard who told me that such studies "lack validation" and some have been conducted without "the most basic controls".

"They do not present persuasive scientific evidence that the virus was circulating outside of China before the late 2019 outbreak in Wuhan," she said.

"The earliest detected cases and outbreak were in Wuhan. Early cases outside of China were found to have travelled from Wuhan. The most similar viruses have been found inside China."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55765875

[tabascoboy]

Seems to be no shortage of morons in the great metropolis

Police uncover a string of late-night "incredibly selfish" parties in Kensington and Chelsea.

Covid: Police injured breaking up Chelsea party with '200 people'

[Denny Crane]

Researchers at Oxford University are planning the first, large high-quality trial of a cheap drug that has been credited with dramatically reducing Covid-19 deaths in the developing world.

The Principle trial is hunting for treatments that could be used at home soon after symptoms appear. The aim is to find a medicine that makes an impact during the earliest stages of disease, preventing severe illness.

The next batch of medicines it will assess will include ivermectin. Used for decades to treat livestock and people infested with parasitic worms, it has been hailed as a Covid “wonder drug” by supporters.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tria ... -99jc07v2s

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

[Lemoentjie]

Is Ivermectin the new Hydroxycholroquine?

[dkm57]

Ivermectin can be lethal to Collies and Boxers. Personally I'd be wary.

[Openside]

Yeah, Belgium's headline figure is from Covid being mentioned on the death certificate, so it's numbers look very high.

Which is the same as the UK. One of the reasons ours are measured so high.

No. Our headline figure is deaths within 28 days of a positive test. ONS are keeping a separate record of deaths with Covid on the death certificate, which is quite a lot worse, and then there's our excess death figure which is worse again

I thought this had been revised to 60??

[Openside]

Seems to be no shortage of morons in the great metropolis

Police uncover a string of late-night "incredibly selfish" parties in Kensington and Chelsea.

Covid: Police injured breaking up Chelsea party with '200 people'

Organisers fined £10,000 and all guests £800 is one way to pay for all this - Jewish party in Stamford hill of the weekend would have pulled in about 400K in fines

[Tichtheid]

Which is the same as the UK. One of the reasons ours are measured so high.

No. Our headline figure is deaths within 28 days of a positive test. ONS are keeping a separate record of deaths with Covid on the death certificate, which is quite a lot worse, and then there's our excess death figure which is worse again

I thought this had been revised to 60??

The government's site quotes numbers for 28 days

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Openside]

No. Our headline figure is deaths within 28 days of a positive test. ONS are keeping a separate record of deaths with Covid on the death certificate, which is quite a lot worse, and then there's our excess death figure which is worse again

I thought this had been revised to 60??

The government's site quotes numbers for 28 days

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

fair enough. I definitely read it somewhere and thought "what the fuck is the point of that?"...

[Tichtheid]

I thought this had been revised to 60??

The government's site quotes numbers for 28 days

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

fair enough. I definitely read it somewhere and thought "what the fuck is the point of that?"...

I've seen some sites quote 28 days and 60 days.

There has been a sizable number of patients being re-admitted and subsequently dying, some of them would fall under the 60 days but some of them are longer term.

[tc27]

Wow.

Sadly probaly a high water mark for a while if the weekend tails off again and then supply issues affect us next week.

[Saint]

The government's site quotes numbers for 28 days

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

fair enough. I definitely read it somewhere and thought "what the fuck is the point of that?"...

I've seen some sites quote 28 days and 60 days.

There has been a sizable number of patients being re-admitted and subsequently dying, some of them would fall under the 60 days but some of them are longer term.

We started off at death certificate. Sometime around April/May we changed to 28 days, and applied that retrospectively, which resulted in a fairly hefty drop in total numbers on Worldometers. Like I say, there's also the ONS tracking death certificate numbers

[Saint]

Wow.

Sadly probaly a high water mark for a while if the weekend tails off again and then supply issues affect us next week.

Giving a national total of 480k. That would work out at around 3.3 million a week if we could keep it up.

In other good news, the r is estimated to be between 0.8 and 1, with a drop in infections between 1% and 4% per week

[Insane_Homer]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[PCPhil]

We are now at number 5 on deaths/million In order we have;
San Marino. 1,913
Gibraltar. 1,831
Belgium. 1,780
Slovenia. 1,601
UK. 1,429

Okay, probably a bit of a gap to close before we get on the medal table but with this lot in charge.........

[Openside]

We are now at number 5 on deaths/million In order we have;
San Marino. 1,913
Gibraltar. 1,831
Belgium. 1,780
Slovenia. 1,601
UK. 1,429

Okay, probably a bit of a gap to close before we get on the medal table but with this lot in charge.........

1,429 per million is hardly carnage(its .15%) there have been worse years in the last 10 esp. if you accept that UK is taking every opportunity to put Covid 19 on the death certificate.

[Raggs]

We are now at number 5 on deaths/million In order we have;
San Marino. 1,913
Gibraltar. 1,831
Belgium. 1,780
Slovenia. 1,601
UK. 1,429

Okay, probably a bit of a gap to close before we get on the medal table but with this lot in charge.........

1,429 per million is hardly carnage(its .15%) there have been worse years in the last 10 esp. if you accept that UK is taking every opportunity to put Covid 19 on the death certificate.

That's the number who had a positive test in the previous 28 days. It's a long way from the number with it on their death certificate and further still from the excess deaths.

It's also not yet over. And further still the long term effects don't appear on that list. Those who have permanently damaged lungs and hearts, those who's kidneys have been destroyed, stroke victims, amputees. None appear in that list but there's a lot of long term fucked out there as well.

[TB63]

So my parents finally had their jab yesterday, only 350 administered on Friday as they ran out.
No side affects thankfully, but dad's other head started speaking Esperanto...

[PlanetGlyndwr]

Boris still leading in the polls it's crazy that an epidemic of this magnitude can't topple the tories.

Starmer being a neoliberal shite and labour selling out has backfired bigtime.

[tc27]

Boris still leading in the polls it's crazy that an epidemic of this magnitude can't topple the tories.

Starmer being a neoliberal shite and labour selling out has backfired bigtime.

Yeah cause going down the SWP route worked so well...

Many people tend to support the authorities during a crisis..I would not read huge amounts into polling at the moment.

[Biffer]

We are now at number 5 on deaths/million In order we have;
San Marino. 1,913
Gibraltar. 1,831
Belgium. 1,780
Slovenia. 1,601
UK. 1,429

Okay, probably a bit of a gap to close before we get on the medal table but with this lot in charge.........

1,429 per million is hardly carnage(its .15%) there have been worse years in the last 10 esp. if you accept that UK is taking every opportunity to put Covid 19 on the death certificate.

You're going to need to back that statement up with some actual facts.

[Sandstorm]

We are now at number 5 on deaths/million In order we have;
San Marino. 1,913
Gibraltar. 1,831
Belgium. 1,780
Slovenia. 1,601
UK. 1,429

Okay, probably a bit of a gap to close before we get on the medal table but with this lot in charge.........

1,429 per million is hardly carnage(its .15%) there have been worse years in the last 10 esp. if you accept that UK is taking every opportunity to put Covid 19 on the death certificate.

You're going to need to back that statement up with some actual facts.

It’s from the Retired Middle Class Morons with Money Facebook page.

[Biffer]

1,429 per million is hardly carnage(its .15%) there have been worse years in the last 10 esp. if you accept that UK is taking every opportunity to put Covid 19 on the death certificate.

You're going to need to back that statement up with some actual facts.

It’s from the Retired Middle Class Morons with Money Facebook page.

Yeah. If it's actual facts we want, Scotland has its worst excess deaths outside WWI since 1891. I imagine the UK as a whole is similar.

Openside is a bullshitter. Or a liar if you prefer.

[tabascoboy]

FFS yet another bunch of twats

A student party that attracted people from up to 200 miles away has been broken up by police.

Some of the guests were found hiding in cupboards when officers raided the gathering in Lower Loveday Street, Birmingham, on Friday night.

One officer was assaulted as one guest made off but was not hurt, West Midlands Police said.

Party-goers had travelled to the event from places such as Newcastle, Nottingham and London.

Time to name and shame maybe?

[Rinkals]

TBF to OS, I don't think he's intrinsically dishonest like Bimbo.

I think he's just a little bit dim.

[PlanetGlyndwr]

TBF to OS, I don't think he's intrinsically dishonest like Bimbo.

I think he's just a little bit dim.

pot calling the kettle black

[tabascoboy]

And yet another

Covid: Hackney railway arch rave attended by '300 people'

Police have issued more than £15,000 in fines after 300 people attended an illegal rave in a railway arch.

Officers raided an unlicensed music event in Nursery Road, Hackney, at 01.30 GMT on Sunday.

Many people fled the scene, while organisers padlocked the doors from the inside to stop officers getting in, police said.

No arrest were reported, but 78 fines of up to £200 for breaching lockdown restrictions were issued.

A dog unit and helicopter were deployed to the scene, with police saying they made numerous attempts to contact the organisers.

[fishfoodie]

And yet another

Covid: Hackney railway arch rave attended by '300 people'

Police have issued more than £15,000 in fines after 300 people attended an illegal rave in a railway arch.

Officers raided an unlicensed music event in Nursery Road, Hackney, at 01.30 GMT on Sunday.

Many people fled the scene, while organisers padlocked the doors from the inside to stop officers getting in, police said.

No arrest were reported, but 78 fines of up to £200 for breaching lockdown restrictions were issued.

A dog unit and helicopter were deployed to the scene, with police saying they made numerous attempts to contact the organisers.

time to add another zero to the fine; as they clearly aren't big enough to stop these being organized.