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MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:50 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:40 am

Jock42 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:36 am

She also said there was no reason for her to resign despite breaking the rules twice which a lot of SNP supporters seem to forget mentioning.

Sturgeon pushing

I’ve spoken to Margaret Ferrier and made clear my view that she should step down as an MP. I did so with a heavy heart - she is a friend & colleague - but her actions were dangerous & indefensible. I have no power to force an MP to resign but I hope she will do the right thing.

Blackford drove all the way to Skye before self isolating, what has she got against Ferrier?

It was during lockdown not self-isolation. Same offence as Cummings and Jenrick. What happened to them?

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:16 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:50 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:40 am
Sturgeon pushing

Blackford drove all the way to Skye before self isolating, what has she got against Ferrier?

It was during lockdown not self-isolation. Same offence as Cummings and Jenrick. What happened to them?

He self isolated when he got back to Skye because he thought he had it. Cummings isn't in the SNP or even in government. Jenrick is just an idiot.

Are you stalking me now?

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:33 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:39 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:24 am

She can't force him to resign. It'd be a bad place to be if a prime minister or first minister could force an MP to leave their seat. There is a mechanism for constituents to do it.

She can express an opinion that he should resign as she's done in the case of her own MP.

Instead he gets paid for months for essentially doing nothing (he no longer attends) and a nice golden goodbye next spring.

Also came out yesterday that he was drawing expenses for his Edinburgh flat and cleaning bills. Good lad....

He was suspended from the SNP in February, iirc. He's currently an independent MP, so it's a bit of a stretch to be having a pop at Sturgeon over this.

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:14 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:16 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:50 am

Blackford drove all the way to Skye before self isolating, what has she got against Ferrier?

It was during lockdown not self-isolation. Same offence as Cummings and Jenrick. What happened to them?

He self isolated when he got back to Skye because he thought he had it. Cummings isn't in the SNP or even in government. Jenrick is just an idiot.

Are you stalking me now?

So Blackford did the same as Jenrick, it was only Cummings who actually had symptoms and broke the self-isolation rules? Funnily enough I know that Cummings isn't in the SNP thanks. He's also non-elected though he appears to be running most government departments at present.
Stalking you? WTF are you on? I was responding to your response and correcting it.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:01 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:33 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:39 am

She can express an opinion that he should resign as she's done in the case of her own MP.

Instead he gets paid for months for essentially doing nothing (he no longer attends) and a nice golden goodbye next spring.

Also came out yesterday that he was drawing expenses for his Edinburgh flat and cleaning bills. Good lad....

He was suspended from the SNP in February, iirc. He's currently an independent MP, so it's a bit of a stretch to be having a pop at Sturgeon over this.

She could express the opinion that he should step down as she has with Ferrier.

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:19 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:14 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:16 pm
It was during lockdown not self-isolation. Same offence as Cummings and Jenrick. What happened to them?

He self isolated when he got back to Skye because he thought he had it. Cummings isn't in the SNP or even in government. Jenrick is just an idiot.

Are you stalking me now?

So Blackford did the same as Jenrick, it was only Cummings who actually had symptoms and broke the self-isolation rules? Funnily enough I know that Cummings isn't in the SNP thanks. He's also non-elected though he appears to be running most government departments at present.
Stalking you? WTF are you on? I was responding to your response and correcting it.

It was Cummings' wife that had symptoms not him when he went for his drive. He should have been sacked as he broke the rules at the time, no question, I would say this SNP MP is the biggest idiot so far and Sturgeon has done all she could on this.

I'm getting one of the 403 errors described in another thread, so I'll try new wording and without quoting

MacKay was found to have committed no offence according to the police

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:30 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:19 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:14 pm

He self isolated when he got back to Skye because he thought he had it. Cummings isn't in the SNP or even in government. Jenrick is just an idiot.

Are you stalking me now?

So Blackford did the same as Jenrick, it was only Cummings who actually had symptoms and broke the self-isolation rules? Funnily enough I know that Cummings isn't in the SNP thanks. He's also non-elected though he appears to be running most government departments at present.
Stalking you? WTF are you on? I was responding to your response and correcting it.

It was Cummings' wife that had symptoms not him when he went for his drive. He should have been sacked as he broke the rules at the time, no question, I would say this SNP MP is the biggest idiot so far and Sturgeon has done all she could on this.

Though it's history, I thought both he and his wife had it. She wrote about it in The Spectator

Dominic Cummings collapsed and was confined to bed for 10 days with severe breathlessness after contracting the coronavirus, his wife has revealed.
Boris Johnson's chief adviser contracted the deadly illness at around the same time as the Prime Minister, but little was known about how badly affected he had been.
Writing in The Spectator, Mary Wakefield said her husband should have been hospitalised when his symptoms worsened.

I guess it will be her local constituents and party that will force her hand in the end? What a brain dead thing to do!!

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:41 pm

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:30 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:19 pm
So Blackford did the same as Jenrick, it was only Cummings who actually had symptoms and broke the self-isolation rules? Funnily enough I know that Cummings isn't in the SNP thanks. He's also non-elected though he appears to be running most government departments at present.
Stalking you? WTF are you on? I was responding to your response and correcting it.

It was Cummings' wife that had symptoms not him when he went for his drive. He should have been sacked as he broke the rules at the time, no question, I would say this SNP MP is the biggest idiot so far and Sturgeon has done all she could on this.

Though it's history, I thought both he and his wife had it. She wrote about it in The Spectator

Dominic Cummings collapsed and was confined to bed for 10 days with severe breathlessness after contracting the coronavirus, his wife has revealed.
Boris Johnson's chief adviser contracted the deadly illness at around the same time as the Prime Minister, but little was known about how badly affected he had been.
Writing in The Spectator, Mary Wakefield said her husband should have been hospitalised when his symptoms worsened.

I guess it will be her local constituents and party that will force her hand in the end? What a brain dead thing to do!!

I believe his Covid kicked in after the drive north, he clearly caught it from his wife and as he knew she had it (although no testing at the time) he shouldnt have gone anywhere, the plum.

He also rushed home to his sick wife, decided she probably had Covid & then returned to work in Downing Street before the Durham interlude even started. At that point he was quite possibly infectious.

Blackford drove all the way through England and Scotland and then got on a Ferry. Then self isolated.

Did Cummins actually have covid?
Cant remember any evidence or even if he had a test. I may be proved wrong but cant remember him givibg his test results out.

Even if he said he had a test who wpuld believe the duplicitous cunt?

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:33 pm Blackford drove all the way through England and Scotland and then got on a Ferry. Then self isolated.

Blackford travelled home, which was within the guidelines all MPs were subject to.

He said he had no symptoms and didn't have a test, he went into isolation for two weeks as a precaution because his wife has a lung condition

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:06 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:33 pm Blackford drove all the way through England and Scotland and then got on a Ferry. Then self isolated.

Blackford travelled home, which was within the guidelines all MPs were subject to.

He said he had no symptoms and didn't have a test, he went into isolation for two weeks as a precaution because his wife has a lung condition

The precaution didn't extend to all those he encountered on his 630 miles 12 hour trip?

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:25 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:06 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:33 pm Blackford drove all the way through England and Scotland and then got on a Ferry. Then self isolated.

Blackford travelled home, which was within the guidelines all MPs were subject to.

He said he had no symptoms and didn't have a test, he went into isolation for two weeks as a precaution because his wife has a lung condition

The precaution didn't extend to all those he encountered on his 630 miles 12 hour trip?

He acted within the guidelines, all MPs were allowed to travel home.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:44 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:25 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:06 pm


Blackford travelled home, which was within the guidelines all MPs were subject to.

He said he had no symptoms and didn't have a test, he went into isolation for two weeks as a precaution because his wife has a lung condition

The precaution didn't extend to all those he encountered on his 630 miles 12 hour trip?

He acted within the guidelines, all MPs were allowed to travel home.

Travel home and isolate there. Not go back to London again the next day.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:44 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:25 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:06 pm


Blackford travelled home, which was within the guidelines all MPs were subject to.

He said he had no symptoms and didn't have a test, he went into isolation for two weeks as a precaution because his wife has a lung condition

The precaution didn't extend to all those he encountered on his 630 miles 12 hour trip?

He acted within the guidelines, all MPs were allowed to travel home.

Cummings acted within the guidelines as well.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:49 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:44 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:25 pm

The precaution didn't extend to all those he encountered on his 630 miles 12 hour trip?

He acted within the guidelines, all MPs were allowed to travel home.

Travel home and isolate there. Not go back to London again the next day.

Blackford went into isolation on Skye due to his wife being in an “at-risk” group, he didn’t travel bacl to London the next day.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:49 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:44 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:25 pm

The precaution didn't extend to all those he encountered on his 630 miles 12 hour trip?

He acted within the guidelines, all MPs were allowed to travel home.

Cummings acted within the guidelines as well.

Did you believe what he said in that speech from the Downing St garden?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:01 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:33 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:39 am

She can express an opinion that he should resign as she's done in the case of her own MP.

Instead he gets paid for months for essentially doing nothing (he no longer attends) and a nice golden goodbye next spring.

Also came out yesterday that he was drawing expenses for his Edinburgh flat and cleaning bills. Good lad....

He was suspended from the SNP in February, iirc. He's currently an independent MP, so it's a bit of a stretch to be having a pop at Sturgeon over this.

I'm not having a go at Sturgeon about this. I'm having a go at him because he is an utter arse.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:39 pm I'm getting one of the 403 errors described in another thread, so I'll try new wording and without quoting

MacKay was found to have committed no offence according to the police

Come on, what he did was fucking disgraceful. Hundreds of messages to a 16 year old.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:39 pm I'm getting one of the 403 errors described in another thread, so I'll try new wording and without quoting

MacKay was found to have committed no offence according to the police

Come on, what he did was fucking disgraceful. Hundreds of messages to a 16 year old.

If whatever I’ve posted led you to believe that I somehow support him then I must clear that up, I don’t.

However, it is still the case that the police have said no offence had been committed, so apart from chucking him out of the party, I’m not sure how much more Sturgeon could have done.

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:03 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:01 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:33 am

Also came out yesterday that he was drawing expenses for his Edinburgh flat and cleaning bills. Good lad....

He was suspended from the SNP in February, iirc. He's currently an independent MP, so it's a bit of a stretch to be having a pop at Sturgeon over this.

I'm not having a go at Sturgeon about this. I'm having a go at him because he is an utter arse.

On that we agree, at the very very best he has acted completely inappropriately.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:21 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:39 pm I'm getting one of the 403 errors described in another thread, so I'll try new wording and without quoting

MacKay was found to have committed no offence according to the police

Come on, what he did was fucking disgraceful. Hundreds of messages to a 16 year old.

If whatever I’ve posted led you to believe that I somehow support him then I must clear that up, I don’t.

However, it is still the case that the police have said no offence had been committed, so apart from chucking him out of the party, I’m not sure how much more Sturgeon could have done.

Fair enough

gobsmacked she hasn't resigned yet

SNP MP who flouted coronavirus self-isolation rules by travelling hundreds of miles across Britain to attend the Commons visited a gym, shops and a beauty salon on the day she became ill.

Margaret Ferrier posted images on her social media showing her out and about in her Rutherglen and Hamilton West on Saturday - the day she was tested for Covid-19.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:02 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:49 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:44 pm


He acted within the guidelines, all MPs were allowed to travel home.

Cummings acted within the guidelines as well.

Did you believe what he said in that speech from the Downing St garden?

Do you believe Blackford's story about travelling home without stopping for a piss or a Greggs on the way?

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:13 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:02 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:49 pm



Cummings acted within the guidelines as well.

Did you believe what he said in that speech from the Downing St garden?

Do you believe Blackford's story about travelling home without stopping for a piss or a Greggs on the way?

Show me Blackford's account of his journey, I haven't read it.

Whilst we are at it, do you believe Cummings?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:16 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:13 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:02 pm




Did you believe what he said in that speech from the Downing St garden?

Do you believe Blackford's story about travelling home without stopping for a piss or a Greggs on the way?

Show me Blackford's account of his journey, I haven't read it.

Whilst we are at it, do you believe Cummings?

We had a two week media storm followed by an unprecedented show trial for Cummings. Blackford was the one shouting loudest.

MSG# wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:49 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:16 pm

MSG# wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:13 pm

Do you believe Blackford's story about travelling home without stopping for a piss or a Greggs on the way?

Show me Blackford's account of his journey, I haven't read it.

Whilst we are at it, do you believe Cummings?

We had a two week media storm followed by an unprecedented show trial for Cummings. Blackford was the one shouting loudest.

I’ll try again, did you believe Cummings? For the record, I didn’t.

As for Blackford, I’ve tried searching for his account where he states he drove from London to Skye without stopping, but I couldn’t find anything.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 am

MSG# wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:49 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:16 pm

Show me Blackford's account of his journey, I haven't read it.

Whilst we are at it, do you believe Cummings?

We had a two week media storm followed by an unprecedented show trial for Cummings. Blackford was the one shouting loudest.

I’ll try again, did you believe Cummings? For the record, I didn’t.

As for Blackford, I’ve tried searching for his account where he states he drove from London to Skye without stopping, but I couldn’t find anything.

Wouldn't bother if I were you. You'll go round in circles.
Basically everything Tory=good. Everything non Tory=bad

SaintK wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:32 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 am

MSG# wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:49 am

We had a two week media storm followed by an unprecedented show trial for Cummings. Blackford was the one shouting loudest.

I’ll try again, did you believe Cummings? For the record, I didn’t.

As for Blackford, I’ve tried searching for his account where he states he drove from London to Skye without stopping, but I couldn’t find anything.

Wouldn't bother if I were you. You'll go round in circles.
Basically everything Tory=good. Everything non Tory=bad

Tbh it’s the same with the other side. Cummings, Blackford etc etc they are all a shower of shite irrespective of which team they’re on.

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:24 am

Tbh it’s the same with the other side. Cummings, Blackford etc etc they are all a shower of shite irrespective of which team they’re on.

There is world of difference in the actions of Blackford and Cummings, Blackford did not break the spirit or the letter of the guidelines.

Blackford was subject to what they thought was a "Gotcha" from Breitbart, which is the equivalent of using Newsthump as a source, only not funny, and even they couldn't come up with anything to show Blackford had broken any rule, law or guideline.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:19 pm

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:24 am

Tbh it’s the same with the other side. Cummings, Blackford etc etc they are all a shower of shite irrespective of which team they’re on.

There is world of difference in the actions of Blackford and Cummings, Blackford did not break the spirit or the letter of the guidelines.

Blackford was subject to what they thought was a "Gotcha" from Breitbart, which is the equivalent of using Newsthump as a source, only not funny, and even they couldn't come up with anything to show Blackford had broken any rule, law or guideline.

Nothing I say will change the mind of a true believer, so I will leave it.

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:54 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:19 pm

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:24 am

Tbh it’s the same with the other side. Cummings, Blackford etc etc they are all a shower of shite irrespective of which team they’re on.

There is world of difference in the actions of Blackford and Cummings, Blackford did not break the spirit or the letter of the guidelines.

Blackford was subject to what they thought was a "Gotcha" from Breitbart, which is the equivalent of using Newsthump as a source, only not funny, and even they couldn't come up with anything to show Blackford had broken any rule, law or guideline.

Nothing I say will change the mind of a true believer, so I will leave it.

Just tell me what law or rule or guideline Blackford broke in spirit or letter.

I can do it for Cummings if you like.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:40 pm

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:54 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:19 pm


There is world of difference in the actions of Blackford and Cummings, Blackford did not break the spirit or the letter of the guidelines.

Blackford was subject to what they thought was a "Gotcha" from Breitbart, which is the equivalent of using Newsthump as a source, only not funny, and even they couldn't come up with anything to show Blackford had broken any rule, law or guideline.

Nothing I say will change the mind of a true believer, so I will leave it.

Just tell me what law or rule or guideline Blackford broke in spirit or letter.

I can do it for Cummings if you like.

If you believe the spirit of the lockdown involved a 12 hour plus drive (with what should have involved multiple stops for safety reasons with tiredness) from the hottest of hotspots in the UK after the lockdown was announced when he had perfectly adequate accommodation in London, that’s fine but you would not think the same if a Tory did it because hypocrisy know no bounds with the true believers, they are able to contort any old justification just so their team is ok. The same is true for the Tory fanboys as well.

Northern Lights wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:10 pm

If you believe the spirit of the lockdown involved a 12 hour plus drive (with what should have involved multiple stops for safety reasons with tiredness) from the hottest of hotspots in the UK after the lockdown was announced when he had perfectly adequate accommodation in London, that’s fine but you would not think the same if a Tory did it because hypocrisy know no bounds with the true believers, they are able to contort any old justification just so their team is ok. The same is true for the Tory fanboys as well.

Blackford made his journey a couple of days after lockdown was announced, he was going home as was allowed under the guidelines, as other MPs from all parties did.

Even Breitbart concede this was allowed, their defence was that Cummings didn't break guidelines, but he broke them numerous times, going into work when he was ill (though I can't remember if this was before or after the lockdown announcement), the journey to Durham ie travelling to another household, and then "testing his eyesight" by driving about with his child in the car for a jolly.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/?_ga=2. ... 1586367656

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:17 am https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/?_ga=2. ... 1586367656

Mostly false positive I imagine

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:36 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:17 am https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/?_ga=2. ... 1586367656

Mostly false positive I imagine

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:17 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:36 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:17 am https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/?_ga=2. ... 1586367656

Mostly false positive I imagine

Hey rinky.....

Tell is how many of those would be False positives if the false positives rate was 1%?