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Part of the joy of these games tbhCertain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:57 pm The officiating in this match is, shall we say, interesting.
Surprised he's only making his debut now! Was he down in SA with Emerging Ireland?
He was yeahPornDog wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:07 pmSurprised he's only making his debut now! Was he down in SA with Emerging Ireland?
FT?
33-24. Finishing up soon.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:12 pmFT?
Not soon enough. AB's got an intercept as well.Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:13 pm33-24. Finishing up soon.
Well, I expect professionals to be...professional. What do you expect?Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:13 pmAre they supposed to know the names of the 24th-46th most talented players in NZ?Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:03 pm These Irish commentators don't seem to know the name of a single NZ player.
Cool story bro.Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:20 pmWell, I expect professionals to be...professional. What do you expect?Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:13 pmAre they supposed to know the names of the 24th-46th most talented players in NZ?Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:03 pm These Irish commentators don't seem to know the name of a single NZ player.
If anything, they got worse as the game went on. Between the 70th and 74th minutes, when they were whipping themselves into a paroxysm of ecstasy, not a single NZ player was mentioned, until they belatedly noted that Kellow had pulled off a try-saving tackle.
Holland a deserved MOM. Hotham and Kellow provided huge impact off the bench.
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This, from any rugby players perspective. Aim for the hips and Telea is gone.Jim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
Yeah, better tacklers than Ford have tried that on Tele’a and he just keeps moving. Nightmare trying to tackle that greased eel.Flockwitt wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 9:16 pmThis, from any rugby players perspective. Aim for the hips and Telea is gone.Jim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
Getting even worse in Oz, reckon its going to get even worse over the next few years, people really don't care anymore. Rugby could be done in Australia to be honest.Uncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:22 pm People here stopped watching super
rugby a long long time ago so it's only the internationals we'll be familiar with.
Ford’s cameo was not his finest. For me he’s a poor bench option, he either starts and runs the show or shouldn’t play. Smith played very well and there was no pressing reason for a switchJim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
The analytics probably mandated the switch due to win percentages or something.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:22 amFord’s cameo was not his finest. For me he’s a poor bench option, he either starts and runs the show or shouldn’t play. Smith played very well and there was no pressing reason for a switchJim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
Seems that way. See also subbing Spencer. I like Randall but his game is not suited to trying to hold a lead and Spencer was playing well. He has 80 in the tank, keep him going. And a Bomb Squad may seem like a good idea but it does not have the same effect when it’s Dan Cole and Finn Baxter.Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:59 amThe analytics probably mandated the switch due to win percentages or something.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:22 amFord’s cameo was not his finest. For me he’s a poor bench option, he either starts and runs the show or shouldn’t play. Smith played very well and there was no pressing reason for a switchJim Lahey wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:46 pm WTAF was George Ford doing with that tackle "attempt" for the 3rd try? He's a yard away from touch, any kind of hit with his shoulder and the dude is out. Why on earth would you be attempting a wrap tackle in that scenario?
And if my uncle had tits he would be my aunt, we are just simply not good enough, we lack a dominant scrum, we lack any sort of attack plan and an attack coach who is basically stealing a living, we heavily rely on defence and big hits but even we fail at that. We have a coach steeped in 90's Leicester tactics, and too many players who should be nowhere near that test side. There are so many things wrong here and it all starts at the top.tc27 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:22 am Yeah very annoyed to be 0/3 against New Zealand this year but got to keep in perspective that only needed to convert two relatively easy kicks to make it 2/1.
It is going to be hard to close out games with a weak scrum however.
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:16 pmIndeed, you usually leave that to the IRFU scoutsUncle fester wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:13 pmAre they supposed to know the names of the 24th-46th most talented players in NZ?Certain Navigator wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:03 pm These Irish commentators don't seem to know the name of a single NZ player.
Very good ChapeauNo they don't
Scrum is a genuine issue and not helped by Marler’s retirement. But we can’t magic up a front row. As you say we’d have won with smarter subs with the team we hadSaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:57 amNo they don't
They just need sensibly selected substitutes who are not sent on by the coach at a pre determined time.
Spencer and Smith should not have come off at 60 minutes.
I'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
There's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pmI'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
Agreed but there a number of young props coming through who are no longer U20 and are playing Premiership rugby (albeit off the bench in some cases) who may well benefit from the exposure to what is required at the highest levelsockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pmThere's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pmI'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
Yes Fatties is like red wine. Matured with age.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pmThere's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pmI'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:00 pm The good news is we finally have some quality tightheads coming through and a clutch of good young looseheads. It'll be a struggle for a year or two though.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
I also agree that the step up is usually far too much, but Fasogbon and Opoku-Fordjour are both mixing it with the big boys quite nicely already.SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:40 pmAgreed but there a number of young props coming through who are no longer U20 and are playing Premiership rugby (albeit off the bench in some cases) who may well benefit from the exposure to what is required at the highest levelsockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pmThere's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:16 pm
I'd like to see them added to the training squad occassionally as part of their development.
Not sure if that's feasible but there is a big gap between being succesful at U20 and joining the senior squad.
Agree with this, and likewise Baxter whilst bested yesterday was by no means out of his depth, it just takes time and unfortunately he doesn’t have it as he’ll be taking on the Boks in two weeks.JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:30 pmI also agree that the step up is usually far too much, but Fasogbon and Opoku-Fordjour are both mixing it with the big boys quite nicely already.SaintK wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:40 pmAgreed but there a number of young props coming through who are no longer U20 and are playing Premiership rugby (albeit off the bench in some cases) who may well benefit from the exposure to what is required at the highest levelsockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:22 pm
There's a big gap between U20 and making it as a pro, let alone a senior international. Down the years there've been a number of heralded U20s props who just disappear after having made a handful of Premiership appearances.