NPR

Ovals wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:15 am No Alfie Barbeary !!!!

Margin__Walker wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:32 am Launchbury is injured Sock

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:06 am

ASMO wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:01 am Care back, Billy back (Dombrandt obviously injured), Arundell going, still not understanding the Ewels selection, same with Rodd and Schickerling but the glaring omission for me is Ben Earl, streets ahead of any of the other back row players in the squad.

Eddie Jones is a dickhead. When you understand that then everything else makes sense.

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:30 pm

ASMO wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:25 pm3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:51 am Alex Mitchell is a better 9 than Randall.
Ben Earl is a better 7 than Underhill.
Alex Goode is a (much) better 15/10 than Furbank.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:58 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:30 pm

ASMO wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:25 pm3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

There is something vaguely amusing seeing Eng fans acting the same way as Fre fans have done for 20 odd years under various managers.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:58 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:30 pm

ASMO wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:25 pm3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

There is something vaguely amusing seeing Eng fans acting the same way as Fre fans have done for 20 odd years under various managers.

PCPhil wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:26 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:58 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:30 pm



I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

There is something vaguely amusing seeing Eng fans acting the same way as Fre fans have done for 20 odd years under various managers.

Well we’re like brothers really.

Apart from you lot smell of garlic, never wash and are so duplicitous.

sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:07 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:55 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:57 am

Can you honestly say you give a flying fuck about the Hillary shield or the Millenium trophy? I care about beating the teams with whom we're apparently contesting these cabinet ornaments, but the items themselves are a dumb gimmick.

I don't care or even know the names of the cups but that doesn't mean they're a bad thing. They're for the players really and they seem to enjoy winning something tangible that can be held aloft and have the win engraved with their victory just like the little shield you may still cherish after winning the U18s Cup or whatever. But this was the same when the Calcutta Cup was introduced, you don't need a cup to play for to have a fixture but it's symbolic of that fixture and that fixture alone. After 100 years it collects gravitas and history and then people like you would complain if it was removed.

I'm not convinced the players do care all that much about most of them. Calcutta Cup or Triple Crown, sure, but none of the more recent tin pot ones. The difference between the older ones, which were obviously new at some point, is that they arose organically in the amateur era not because Dave from marketing thought adding a cup would spice up a fixture.

assfly wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:20 am As a neutral, the one glaring omission is Ben Earls. Seems head and shoulders above all 7s in the prem. I would hate to play against him

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:12 am

assfly wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:20 am As a neutral, the one glaring omission is Ben Earls. Seems head and shoulders above all 7s in the prem. I would hate to play against him

I've seen quite a lot of people on the internet bemoaning his absence, yet not able to spell his name correctly. It's a little funny.

assfly wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:21 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:12 am

assfly wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:20 am As a neutral, the one glaring omission is Ben Earls. Seems head and shoulders above all 7s in the prem. I would hate to play against him

I've seen quite a lot of people on the internet bemoaning his absence, yet not able to spell his name correctly. It's a little funny.

my bad. That usually drives me insane, I can't believe I never noticed.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:45 am

assfly wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:21 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:12 am

I've seen quite a lot of people on the internet bemoaning his absence, yet not able to spell his name correctly. It's a little funny.

my bad. That usually drives me insane, I can't believe I never noticed.

I saw a few calls for Earle elsewhere which left me wondering for a moment whether Nathan Earle had been tearing it up for Newcastle under the radar

As to your initial point, after the 2021 6 Nations Eddie said some players had played their last for England and I think I'm right in saying Earl's been excluded since then. Eddie later expanded on that in an interview (wish I could find it again) essentially saying that he understimated how divisive the Saracens salary cap scandal and calling up players from the Championship (particularly with some being bang out of form) would be inside the squad. I know some of the Saracens players when interviewed at the time about the scandal were fairly bullish in their support of the club. Although Earl was on loan with Bristol at the time, if you see him with Saracens now he's always leading the screaming and whooping after penalties and such, so I think it's fair to say he buys into what Sarries are all about. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part, when the salary cap issue was brought up in camp (which I think is a given, even if it was just to try and take the piss rather than have a serious discussion) he was a bit too vigorous in Saracens defence?

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:57 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:45 am

assfly wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:21 am

my bad. That usually drives me insane, I can't believe I never noticed.

I saw a few calls for Earle elsewhere which left me wondering for a moment whether Nathan Earle had been tearing it up for Newcastle under the radar

As to your initial point, after the 2021 6 Nations Eddie said some players had played their last for England and I think I'm right in saying Earl's been excluded since then. Eddie later expanded on that in an interview (wish I could find it again) essentially saying that he understimated how divisive the Saracens salary cap scandal and calling up players from the Championship (particularly with some being bang out of form) would be inside the squad. I know some of the Saracens players when interviewed at the time about the scandal were fairly bullish in their support of the club. Although Earl was on loan with Bristol at the time, if you see him with Saracens now he's always leading the screaming and whooping after penalties and such, so I think it's fair to say he buys into what Sarries are all about. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part, when the salary cap issue was brought up in camp (which I think is a given, even if it was just to try and take the piss rather than have a serious discussion) he was a bit too vigorous in Saracens defence?

He's the best English openside in the Premiership. He has speed that most wingers would die for together with very effective power through the tackle. These are the only things the England coach should be selecting.

All the guess work crap you've come up with is just that. Crap.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:30 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:57 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:45 am

I saw a few calls for Earle elsewhere which left me wondering for a moment whether Nathan Earle had been tearing it up for Newcastle under the radar

As to your initial point, after the 2021 6 Nations Eddie said some players had played their last for England and I think I'm right in saying Earl's been excluded since then. Eddie later expanded on that in an interview (wish I could find it again) essentially saying that he understimated how divisive the Saracens salary cap scandal and calling up players from the Championship (particularly with some being bang out of form) would be inside the squad. I know some of the Saracens players when interviewed at the time about the scandal were fairly bullish in their support of the club. Although Earl was on loan with Bristol at the time, if you see him with Saracens now he's always leading the screaming and whooping after penalties and such, so I think it's fair to say he buys into what Sarries are all about. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part, when the salary cap issue was brought up in camp (which I think is a given, even if it was just to try and take the piss rather than have a serious discussion) he was a bit too vigorous in Saracens defence?

He's the best English openside in the Premiership. He has speed that most wingers would die for together with very effective power through the tackle. These are the only things the England coach should be selecting.

All the guess work crap you've come up with is just that. Crap.

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:15 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:30 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:57 am



He's the best English openside in the Premiership. He has speed that most wingers would die for together with very effective power through the tackle. These are the only things the England coach should be selecting.

All the guess work crap you've come up with is just that. Crap.

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.

Ben Youngs has got 115 caps, 71 of those courtesy of Jones.

Explain that!

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LenCohen wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:03 pm Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.


Watching Earl the last two weeks, he seems to be a bit of a gurning, whooping eejit and proabbly a bit annoying to be around. Stuff like that counts against you.

LenCohen wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:03 pm Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.


Watching Earl the last two weeks, he seems to be a bit of a gurning, whooping eejit and proabbly a bit annoying to be around. Stuff like that counts against you.

Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:15 pm
Ben Youngs has got 115 caps, 71 of those courtesy of Jones.

Explain that!

LenCohen wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:03 pm Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.


Watching Earl the last two weeks, he seems to be a bit of a gurning, whooping eejit and proabbly a bit annoying to be around. Stuff like that counts against you.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:41 pm Eddie has given Earls a number of chances, a good number more than says Eddie is biased against him. All of which Earls didn't do much with, and with Simmonds back in the squad that likely adds to the idea Eddie doesn't want/need what Earls offers.

At this point Earls is a really good club player who hasn't excelled on the international stage, he's hardly the only one in that boat, and if he plays well he's doing all he can to get another chance. It doesn't though feel like we need to worry Eddie will not recall someone, I mean he's just recalled Care who really did annoy Jones

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:41 pm Eddie has given Earls a number of chances, a good number more than says Eddie is biased against him. All of which Earls didn't do much with, and with Simmonds back in the squad that likely adds to the idea Eddie doesn't want/need what Earls offers.

At this point Earls is a really good club player who hasn't excelled on the international stage, he's hardly the only one in that boat, and if he plays well he's doing all he can to get another chance. It doesn't though feel like we need to worry Eddie will not recall someone, I mean he's just recalled Care who really did annoy Jones

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:12 am Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:12 am Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:31 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:41 pm Eddie has given Earls a number of chances, a good number more than says Eddie is biased against him. All of which Earls didn't do much with, and with Simmonds back in the squad that likely adds to the idea Eddie doesn't want/need what Earls offers.

At this point Earls is a really good club player who hasn't excelled on the international stage, he's hardly the only one in that boat, and if he plays well he's doing all he can to get another chance. It doesn't though feel like we need to worry Eddie will not recall someone, I mean he's just recalled Care who really did annoy Jones

Loads of chances. 13 whole chances.

Zero starts.

269 minutes in total. Averaging 20 minutes a game. So that's less than 3 1/2 matches worth of game time, spread out over 13 appearances and 2 seasons.

A good number of chances.



I'd also like to remind members of the jury that Charlie Ewels has 31 caps (15 starts) and 1178 minutes in total - over 14 1/2 full matches worth of time on the pitch.



I'd also like to remind people that his name is Ben Earl not Earls. He might look like he'd fit in during a family reunion orgy in Cork, but he's not related to Keet.

Oxbow wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:15 am

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:12 am Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Do you think he can count up to that many?

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:12 am Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

SaintK wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:19 am

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:12 am Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Shouldn't haver been on tour anyway. One and a half matches since January

SaintK wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:34 am

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:12 am Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Be interesting to know who else was on the flight with him. For some reason the squad were split up and flew to Australia on 4 different flights
Wonder who his roomie is?

Kawazaki wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:06 am

SaintK wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:34 am

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:12 am Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Be interesting to know who else was on the flight with him. For some reason the squad were split up and flew to Australia on 4 different flights
Wonder who his roomie is?

They flew business class and there aren't enough seats on one plane for them all, they needed four planes apparently. 36 players plus maybe another 5 in business and maybe 5 more in economy. At a conservative estimate, I reckon the cost of flights alone will have cost £250,000.

SaintK wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:49 am

Kawazaki wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:06 am

SaintK wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:34 am
Be interesting to know who else was on the flight with him. For some reason the squad were split up and flew to Australia on 4 different flights
Wonder who his roomie is?

They flew business class and there aren't enough seats on one plane for them all, they needed four planes apparently. 36 players plus maybe another 5 in business and maybe 5 more in economy. At a conservative estimate, I reckon the cost of flights alone will have cost £250,000.

Yes, probably! Though I lways thought there are about 50 seats in business class in a modern jumbo jet.