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Agreed, very telling. I was surprised Aki was even in the squad, nevermind starting in the third test. Just offers very little on attack.boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:01 am They didnt, our defence didnt let them. All their tries came from lineout drives only, iirc. Speaks volumes about our defence.
Thisia801310 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:05 pm I think that everyone is being too negative about the state of rugby, South Africa have always played like they did during this Lions series. They have still been involved in plenty of classic games, the 2013 and 2018 New Zealand games spring to mind. Rugby is a clash of styles and if the other team tries to play open and expansive rugby as the All Blacks do then it can be an amazing clash of styles.
The problem arises when the other team tries to out Bok the Boks. All that happens is that you get a poorer spectacle for the casual viewer and the Boks invariably win.
Aki was only there to match de Allende in the midfield I think. Which is telling as well. And ja, Finn Russel has been impressive in his cameo, I have to admit. Played full of confidence and with a smile, a joy to watch. He had sustained an injury in the warm up matches, right?!assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:04 amAgreed, very telling. I was surprised Aki was even in the squad, nevermind starting in the third test. Just offers very little on attack.boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:01 am They didnt, our defence didnt let them. All their tries came from lineout drives only, iirc. Speaks volumes about our defence.
Could have been a different story if Finn Russell was fit to play more.
Yes, achilles tendon I believe.boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:18 am He had sustained an injury in the warm up matches, right?!
You'll have way too much for us.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:20 amYes, achilles tendon I believe.boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:18 am He had sustained an injury in the warm up matches, right?!
Greatly looking forward to playing Scotland later this year. Let's hope Sutherland, Watson, Price, Russel and Duhan all feature.
Ah ok, maybe the reason he didnt feature more. Ja Scotland is becoming a force to reckon with, they have some strong players. And those matches at Murrayfield in the autumn are always difficult, we often struggle there.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:20 amTt444boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:18 am He had sustained an injury in the warm up matches, right?!
Yes, achilles tendon I believe.
Greatly looking forward to playing Scotland later this year. Let's hope Sutherland, Watson, Price, Russel and Duhan all feature.
Rassie definitely won the coaching battle. Gatland played right into his hands.Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:14 amThisia801310 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:05 pm I think that everyone is being too negative about the state of rugby, South Africa have always played like they did during this Lions series. They have still been involved in plenty of classic games, the 2013 and 2018 New Zealand games spring to mind. Rugby is a clash of styles and if the other team tries to play open and expansive rugby as the All Blacks do then it can be an amazing clash of styles.
The problem arises when the other team tries to out Bok the Boks. All that happens is that you get a poorer spectacle for the casual viewer and the Boks invariably win.
Every Scot in the Lions squad is a guaranteed starter, unless injured of course.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:20 amYes, achilles tendon I believe.boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:18 am He had sustained an injury in the warm up matches, right?!
Greatly looking forward to playing Scotland later this year. Let's hope Sutherland, Watson, Price, Russel and Duhan all feature.
Will Duhan still be picked when he plays for the English club?Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:55 pmEvery Scot in the Lions squad is a guaranteed starter, unless injured of course.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:20 amYes, achilles tendon I believe.boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:18 am He had sustained an injury in the warm up matches, right?!
Greatly looking forward to playing Scotland later this year. Let's hope Sutherland, Watson, Price, Russel and Duhan all feature.
In third test Curry and Itoje both conceded 3 penalties each - most in Lions team. To be fair to Itoje he had been ok up until the last game.SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:47 amdpedin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:48 pmIt is not anglophobia it is based in fact! England conceded 67 penalties in the 6Ns this year, equal most along with Italy. They conceded second most scrum penalties as well. Their ill discipline in 6Ns was a major reason for their poor performances and results. I make the point as I think they brought this lack of discipline to the Lions games as well and the also had a major impact on results.
Complete bollocks!
Depends how our latest jockbok starts the season. Schoeman could easily be the starter if he is at his best. Especially if the Lions have a mandatory stand down period.Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:55 pmEvery Scot in the Lions squad is a guaranteed starter, unless injured of course.assfly wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:20 amYes, achilles tendon I believe.boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:18 am He had sustained an injury in the warm up matches, right?!
Greatly looking forward to playing Scotland later this year. Let's hope Sutherland, Watson, Price, Russel and Duhan all feature.
Tbh LCD’s ‘attempt’ was worse…ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:59 am Anyone who thinks Liam Williams was unlucky in missing that tackle really needs to watch it again, it was a pathetic attempt at tackling, all he had to do was show him the outside and it was a simple side on tackle, as an allegedly world class fullback that is meat and drink, Kolbe didnt even have to do anything special to beat him.
If he wanted to play Russel, he would have started with him.
Aye. We don’t have any ‘you must play in Scotland’ rule, which is a good thing as we only have two pro teams. Duhan is our best wing option, so he’ll start.
That was a hooker covering across, i can sympathise with his effort, at least he tried, Williams just flapped his arms, made O'Gara look good.Openside wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:32 pmTbh LCD’s ‘attempt’ was worse…ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:59 am Anyone who thinks Liam Williams was unlucky in missing that tackle really needs to watch it again, it was a pathetic attempt at tackling, all he had to do was show him the outside and it was a simple side on tackle, as an allegedly world class fullback that is meat and drink, Kolbe didnt even have to do anything special to beat him.
Possibly. As I said before, if you wanted to surprise the Boks as your way of trying to win, you would name Finn on the bench and brief Biggar to go off at the first little knock he received. And you'd run training mostly with Finn at 10.
Gatland would be a good Springbok coach.charltom wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:33 amPossibly. As I said before, if you wanted to surprise the Boks as your way of trying to win, you would name Finn on the bench and brief Biggar to go off at the first little knock he received. And you'd run training mostly with Finn at 10.
I don't know that Gatland (of whom I am not a fan) did that, but I was very pleased it worked out like that.
Gatland had picked Aki FFS. All he wanted to do was bash it up.
To be fair to Itoje pretty much everyone thinks he was one of, if not the top performing Lion on this tour.dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:40 pmIn third test Curry and Itoje both conceded 3 penalties each - most in Lions team. To be fair to Itoje he had been ok up until the last game.SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:47 amdpedin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:48 pm
It is not anglophobia it is based in fact! England conceded 67 penalties in the 6Ns this year, equal most along with Italy. They conceded second most scrum penalties as well. Their ill discipline in 6Ns was a major reason for their poor performances and results. I make the point as I think they brought this lack of discipline to the Lions games as well and the also had a major impact on results.
Complete bollocks!
Compared to the first test, he undoubtedly went missing.
Ah
Absolutely. I'm a big fan of his, and he is made for big occasions like this.
I think you really have to understand that accusing someone of going missing because they didn't perform to their very very best, while still outperforming almost all their colleagues, is a very silly thing to say. Going missing is what, for example, Tom Curry did, or Jack Conan.
Dear clive,clive wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:31 amI'm a British Lions supporter but not English, don't forget its 4 nations you north African Cunt.
https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/sincklers- ... t-mostert/The outcome of Kyle Sinckler’s disciplinary hearing has been published, with the panel indicating that while his teeth made contact with Mostert’s arm, it wasn’t deliberate.
Sinckler was cited after the second Test between the British & Irish Lions and Springboks, but was free to play in the final Test after a lack of evidence his case was dismissed.
Although there was a mark present on Mostert’s arm, Sinckler denied the claim he had bitten Mostert. He instead argued that the Springbok lock was holding him into the ruck and that is why his teeth made contact with Mostert’s arm.
His defence posited that the contact with Sinckler’s teeth “occurred during the moving dynamics between the players in the ruck”. They specifically stated that “the mark resulted from contact with Mostert’s skin travelling across or being forced into, the exposed teeth of Sinckler, who did not wear a gum shield”.
In his evidence, Mostert said that he had experienced sharp pain and “felt a player from the British & Irish Lions biting” his forearm. His response was to call out, “You’re f***ing biting!”
Match referee Ben O’Keeffe said that although he was alerted to the incident at the next stoppage in play, he did not see any bite marks at that time.
South African team doctor Mampane concluded that the bite mark was caused by a human bite, but acknowledged that he was not sufficiently qualified to express an opinion on the mechanism of contact that caused the mark.
The judicial committee were therefore required, in the absence of video evidence, to determine whether, on the balance of probabilities, Sinckler had deliberately bitten Mostert. They determined that he hadn’t and the prop was therefore cleared to take part in the final Test.
Sorry, am I the only one who thinks the Lions pack did an excellent job in the final Test? Plenty of possession and territory thanks to their efforts. If the SA pack was so superior I'd have expected them to get somewhere close to parity of possession at the very least, and not miss as many tackles as they did, or cough up a maul try, or not be so shite at their own lineouts.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:59 am A forward as best Lion of the series is a bit odd, as that essentially means the 9th-best forward on the pitch was the best Lion.
Couldn't really give it to a back, of course, as the first time they saw the ball was in the 12th minute of the 3rd Test.
So by that process of elimination, probably Ali Price should have got it.
Itoje was utterly brilliant in Test 1, no discussion about that; when the Boks were still rusty enough to be well below par.
Silver lining: my long-standing (2017) avatar fully vindicated.
The Lions were lucky to have 1) played all 3 tests at Cape Town stadium. They would have been minced at altitude on the harder pitches.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:57 amSorry, am I the only one who thinks the Lions pack did an excellent job in the final Test? Plenty of possession and territory thanks to their efforts. If the SA pack was so superior I'd have expected them to get somewhere close to parity of possession at the very least, and not miss as many tackles as they did, or cough up a maul try, or not be so shite at their own lineouts.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:59 am A forward as best Lion of the series is a bit odd, as that essentially means the 9th-best forward on the pitch was the best Lion.
Couldn't really give it to a back, of course, as the first time they saw the ball was in the 12th minute of the 3rd Test.
So by that process of elimination, probably Ali Price should have got it.
Itoje was utterly brilliant in Test 1, no discussion about that; when the Boks were still rusty enough to be well below par.
Silver lining: my long-standing (2017) avatar fully vindicated.
OK well in these hypothetical games against a different pack in a different location with a different build up, I'm sure it would have been different.FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:53 amThe Lions were lucky to have 1) played all 3 tests at Cape Town stadium. They would have been minced at altitude on the harder pitches.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:57 amSorry, am I the only one who thinks the Lions pack did an excellent job in the final Test? Plenty of possession and territory thanks to their efforts. If the SA pack was so superior I'd have expected them to get somewhere close to parity of possession at the very least, and not miss as many tackles as they did, or cough up a maul try, or not be so shite at their own lineouts.clydecloggie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:59 am A forward as best Lion of the series is a bit odd, as that essentially means the 9th-best forward on the pitch was the best Lion.
Couldn't really give it to a back, of course, as the first time they saw the ball was in the 12th minute of the 3rd Test.
So by that process of elimination, probably Ali Price should have got it.
Itoje was utterly brilliant in Test 1, no discussion about that; when the Boks were still rusty enough to be well below par.
Silver lining: my long-standing (2017) avatar fully vindicated.
2) Played the Boks minus PSDT and Faf for 2 matches, Duane Vermeulen and RG Snyman. 3. The Boks had a shocking build up. And many of them (those playing in the SA domestic league) have had very little top class rugby for over a year.
The playing surface made scrummaging a bit difficult and would have been closer to Northern Hemisphere conditions.
I thought Itoje was great .But I would play him at blindside flanker every day. Him and Furlong were my two Lions forwards of the series. The guy has a great engine and covers huge amounts of ground. But he is no Retallick or Etzebeth and doesn't have a huge impact when the game gets really tight.
I didn't "claimed he lied" I inferred he could have made it up....which isn't unknown_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:05 amDear clive,
I was replying to someone who was presumably English (I'm guessing "Saint" refers to the Northampton Saints) who claimed Mostert lied about Sinkler biting him, "Lions" is not a country. Going by your post I must admit some Welsh totally lost it also.
But back to my post you replied to, the citing report has now been published, and the finding was Sinkler accidentally bit Mostert, the bite could be proven but not the intent. An incredible conclusion.
https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/sincklers- ... t-mostert/The outcome of Kyle Sinckler’s disciplinary hearing has been published, with the panel indicating that while his teeth made contact with Mostert’s arm, it wasn’t deliberate.
Sinckler was cited after the second Test between the British & Irish Lions and Springboks, but was free to play in the final Test after a lack of evidence his case was dismissed.
Although there was a mark present on Mostert’s arm, Sinckler denied the claim he had bitten Mostert. He instead argued that the Springbok lock was holding him into the ruck and that is why his teeth made contact with Mostert’s arm.
His defence posited that the contact with Sinckler’s teeth “occurred during the moving dynamics between the players in the ruck”. They specifically stated that “the mark resulted from contact with Mostert’s skin travelling across or being forced into, the exposed teeth of Sinckler, who did not wear a gum shield”.
In his evidence, Mostert said that he had experienced sharp pain and “felt a player from the British & Irish Lions biting” his forearm. His response was to call out, “You’re f***ing biting!”
Match referee Ben O’Keeffe said that although he was alerted to the incident at the next stoppage in play, he did not see any bite marks at that time.
South African team doctor Mampane concluded that the bite mark was caused by a human bite, but acknowledged that he was not sufficiently qualified to express an opinion on the mechanism of contact that caused the mark.
The judicial committee were therefore required, in the absence of video evidence, to determine whether, on the balance of probabilities, Sinckler had deliberately bitten Mostert. They determined that he hadn’t and the prop was therefore cleared to take part in the final Test.
