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Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:35 am
by Ymx
I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:02 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:35 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:56 pm
You’re getting close …
He’s [...] successfully overseen the highest number of stabbings ever in a year!
14,700 in a year !!!!
Hats off to Genghis !
Source?
Source is
www.ymxmadeitup.co.nz
What's interesting is ymx is so concerned about London. Why not West Midlands which has the highest rate of knife crime in the UK? Why is he not so disappointed in Andy Street? Qwhite the mystery.
I’ll dig it up. It was ONS or similar. It will be knife crime stats.
I live closer to London is my main reason. But you go ahead with whatever your rhetoric is.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:54 am
by Ymx
There you go knob-cheese. Crimes with knives and sharp instruments (not just stabbings, btw - yes I realise I said stabbings above)
source ONS:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... datatables
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:40 pm
by Insane_Homer
So Boris while Mayor oversaw well over 75,000 "stabbings" (2008/2009 stats missing).
Boris also peaked at 13,275 "stabbings" in 2011/2012 - at 160.07 per 100,000 - Khan's "record" 158.15 per 100,000
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:22 pm
by Ymx
There was a peak indeed under Boris. However, he then wrestled it well under control, and left it in a better place (9,100)
Khan then allowed it to slope upwards consistently, until it hit its highest peak (14,700). Probably through his soft on search shambles failing. Then London was hugely spared through Covid (10,500). But, even then, it was still worse than what he picked up (9,100). I hate to think where that 14,700 would have been had it not been for COVID.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 4:54 pm
by Masterji
Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:57 am
Masterji wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:26 am
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:00 am
He was mental. That's all you need to know. The lack of news is a clear indication he was nutsba and the wagons are being circled. It follows the same pattern
He is a nut job but if he was a muslim nut job, it matters not.
Well, I think there is a distinction between those who are neurodivergent and those who have been indoctrinated in to a jihadi organisation.
Ask their victims? Does it hurt less when stabbed by one type of nut case and not the other. The religious nut jobs you talk about are also mentally ill, when have been adducted to drugs or have been in prison. The one thing we know about the guys that create these distinctions is that they are hypocrites to a person.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:58 pm
by Ymx
It’s gone mad in London Area.
A man in his forties has died after being fatally stabbed in a street in north London.
Emergency services were called to Pinner Road in Harrow at about 6:00 BST on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... 142163.amp
Man arrested after two people injured in Surbiton stabbing attacks
One person is believed to have been assaulted at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, while the other man was attacked at the BMW garage next door.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/surb ... 93188.html
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 am
by C69
The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:11 am
by Insane_Homer
Don't forget about that woman who killed 2 kids with her Land Rover in Wimbledon
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:25 am
by Ymx
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:11 am
Don't forget about that woman who killed 2 kids with her Land Rover in Wimbledon
Was worried about that one, it turns out it was a seizure, rather than a deliberate stab attack.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:26 am
by Ymx
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 am
The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.
The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:42 am
by C69
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:26 am
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 am
The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.
The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.
I put the massive cuts in police numbers down to the government. It's their watch no one else's.
Cutting vital public sector staff like police has repercussions.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:59 am
by Raggs
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:40 pm
So Boris while Mayor oversaw well over 75,000 "stabbings" (2008/2009 stats missing).
Boris also peaked at 13,275 "stabbings" in 2011/2012 - at 160.07 per 100,000 - Khan's "record" 158.15 per 100,000
Was that actual stabbings? Cos that many stabbings vs general "crimes with knives" seems massively higher. At a complete guess, I'd have to imagine there's a lot more "crimes with knives" than stabbings. Read a story about a bloke who got arrested recently after packing his knife collection up securely, and carrying it in boxes on the bus since he was moving house. That would come under "crimes with knives" but is a long way from a stabbing!
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:03 am
by petej
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:42 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:26 am
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 am
The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.
The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.
I put the massive cuts in police numbers down to the government. It's their watch no one else's.
Cutting vital public sector staff like police has repercussions.
The police side is basically too late plus police doing lots of none police work as other services have been cut. Prevention is always under valued.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:14 am
by Insane_Homer
Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:59 am
Was that actual stabbings?
Only in YMX's world.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:27 am
by SaintK
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:26 am
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 am
The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.
The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.
Have a guess are how many of the 35 Police and Crime Commissioners in England who control the local police budgets are from the Labour party?
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:02 am
by JM2K6
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:26 am
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 am
The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.
The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.
I'm struggling to understand this accusation. My understanding is that the local councils provide only a third of the funding a police force receives, with the vast majority coming from the government instead (see here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... user-guide ). It is not at all clear to me how much power a council has over the police force.
Take Surbiton (from the above stabbing), for example. That's part of Surrey, and the Surrey Police Force has just replaced their former Chief Constable Gavin Stephens with a new guy, Tim de Mayer. Both are experienced police officers. The appointment was agreed by the Surrey Police and Crime Panel, who are described as such:
The role of the Panel will be to examine the actions and decisions of Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner and to make sure information is available for the public so that they can hold their Commissioner to account.
The Panel is a committee of Surrey County Council, and consists of one elected councillor from each of Surrey's twelve local authorities and two co-opted independent members.
Further to that, Surrey has a Police and Crime Commissioner:
The Commissioner is responsible for setting the strategic objectives for policing in the county.
This includes setting and updating a police and crime plan, setting the force budget and precept, and appointing, and where necessary dismissing, the Chief Constable. The Police and Crime Panel will play a key role in scrutinising decisions made by the Commissioner in connection to these responsibilities.
These new arrangements are designed to increase transparency of the delivery of policing services, and to give the public the ability to ensure their police are accountable. As such, the Chief Constable of Surrey Police is accountable to the Commissioner, and the Commissioner is accountable to the electorate.
That to me suggests that unlike with the Met - who are ultimately governed by the Home Office - there's quite a bit of power in local government. But I don't know the reality of this. Surrey's current Police and Crime Commissioner is a Tory who's been in place for two years. She replaced David Munro, another Tory. It would be very easy for me to point fingers at the Tories in charge of Surbiton's policing but how much power can you actually wield if you don't control the purse strings? How much does the government of the day control local police forces, beyond funding? I just don't know the answer to those questions - if you can explain it to a layman, I'd be really grateful. It's slightly embarrassing that I don't know how this stuff works in places outside of London.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:17 am
by Line6 HXFX
Seems to be a real preponderance of abuse crazy angry arseholses about recently,
Had some black guy just lose his shit at me the other week for nothing, when i was waiting for a bus,
I was called a cunt, disgusting, everything under the sun.
Not saying its a race or reliigious thing (he was callihg me "white" as an insult) but the bloke seemed utterly appalled at me on a biblical, race hate preacher level..like I was some sort of demon. Shook me up a bit.
Had been abusing everyone for like an hour, so not just me otherwise I would have taken it personally.
You can easily imagine a walking puddle of hatred like him doing something nuts.
Some people really need their meds.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:22 am
by Dinsdale Piranha
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:02 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:26 am
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 am
The Government has lost control of every sector of society.
Destroying public services and impoverishment of swathes of people with austerity has its consequences.
The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.
I'm struggling to understand this accusation. My understanding is that the local councils provide only a third of the funding a police force receives, with the vast majority coming from the government instead (see here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... user-guide ). It is not at all clear to me how much power a council has over the police force.
Take Surbiton (from the above stabbing), for example. That's part of Surrey, and the Surrey Police Force has just replaced their former Chief Constable Gavin Stephens with a new guy, Tim de Mayer. Both are experienced police officers. The appointment was agreed by the Surrey Police and Crime Panel, who are described as such:
The role of the Panel will be to examine the actions and decisions of Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner and to make sure information is available for the public so that they can hold their Commissioner to account.
The Panel is a committee of Surrey County Council, and consists of one elected councillor from each of Surrey's twelve local authorities and two co-opted independent members.
Further to that, Surrey has a Police and Crime Commissioner:
The Commissioner is responsible for setting the strategic objectives for policing in the county.
This includes setting and updating a police and crime plan, setting the force budget and precept, and appointing, and where necessary dismissing, the Chief Constable. The Police and Crime Panel will play a key role in scrutinising decisions made by the Commissioner in connection to these responsibilities.
These new arrangements are designed to increase transparency of the delivery of policing services, and to give the public the ability to ensure their police are accountable. As such, the Chief Constable of Surrey Police is accountable to the Commissioner, and the Commissioner is accountable to the electorate.
That to me suggests that unlike with the Met - who are ultimately governed by the Home Office - there's quite a bit of power in local government. But I don't know the reality of this. Surrey's current Police and Crime Commissioner is a Tory who's been in place for two years. She replaced David Munro, another Tory. It would be very easy for me to point fingers at the Tories in charge of Surbiton's policing but how much power can you actually wield if you don't control the purse strings? How much does the government of the day control local police forces, beyond funding? I just don't know the answer to those questions - if you can explain it to a layman, I'd be really grateful. It's slightly embarrassing that I don't know how this stuff works in places outside of London.
Minor point of order. Surbiton isn't in Surrey. Technically the stabbings didn't take place in Surbiton.
<EDIT> First responders would likely have been from Kingston as it's the closest police station.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:37 am
by tabascoboy
There is clearly a problem with rising knife crime nationwide, not sure much is gained by trying to politicise it
An adult has been taken to hospital with a suspected stab wound following an incident at Tewkesbury School, police say
The school in Gloucestershire is in lockdown after the incident
Police say they were called on Monday morning after a report that a pupil had stabbed a teacher
A teenage boy has been arrested
Tewkesbury is a state school for 11 to 18-year-olds
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66151983
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:45 am
by Yeeb
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:17 am
Seems to be a real preponderance of abuse crazy angry arseholses about recently,
Had some black guy just lose his shit at me the other week for nothing, when i was waiting for a bus,
I was called a cunt, disgusting, everything under the sun.
Not saying its a race or reliigious thing (he was callihg me "white" as an insult) but the bloke seemed utterly appalled at me on a biblical, race hate preacher level..like I was some sort of demon. Shook me up a bit.
Had been abusing everyone for like an hour, so not just me otherwise I would have taken it personally.
You can easily imagine a walking puddle of hatred like him doing something nuts.
Some people really need their meds.
Black geezer in Merthyr Tydfil ??
You should have just thrown some of your scabs at him
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:47 am
by JM2K6
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:22 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:02 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:26 am
The Labour councils have failed to manage their police in so many areas, despite the funding offered.
I'm struggling to understand this accusation. My understanding is that the local councils provide only a third of the funding a police force receives, with the vast majority coming from the government instead (see here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... user-guide ). It is not at all clear to me how much power a council has over the police force.
Take Surbiton (from the above stabbing), for example. That's part of Surrey, and the Surrey Police Force has just replaced their former Chief Constable Gavin Stephens with a new guy, Tim de Mayer. Both are experienced police officers. The appointment was agreed by the Surrey Police and Crime Panel, who are described as such:
The role of the Panel will be to examine the actions and decisions of Surrey's Police and Crime Commissioner and to make sure information is available for the public so that they can hold their Commissioner to account.
The Panel is a committee of Surrey County Council, and consists of one elected councillor from each of Surrey's twelve local authorities and two co-opted independent members.
Further to that, Surrey has a Police and Crime Commissioner:
The Commissioner is responsible for setting the strategic objectives for policing in the county.
This includes setting and updating a police and crime plan, setting the force budget and precept, and appointing, and where necessary dismissing, the Chief Constable. The Police and Crime Panel will play a key role in scrutinising decisions made by the Commissioner in connection to these responsibilities.
These new arrangements are designed to increase transparency of the delivery of policing services, and to give the public the ability to ensure their police are accountable. As such, the Chief Constable of Surrey Police is accountable to the Commissioner, and the Commissioner is accountable to the electorate.
That to me suggests that unlike with the Met - who are ultimately governed by the Home Office - there's quite a bit of power in local government. But I don't know the reality of this. Surrey's current Police and Crime Commissioner is a Tory who's been in place for two years. She replaced David Munro, another Tory. It would be very easy for me to point fingers at the Tories in charge of Surbiton's policing but how much power can you actually wield if you don't control the purse strings? How much does the government of the day control local police forces, beyond funding? I just don't know the answer to those questions - if you can explain it to a layman, I'd be really grateful. It's slightly embarrassing that I don't know how this stuff works in places outside of London.
Minor point of order. Surbiton isn't in Surrey. Technically the stabbings didn't take place in Surbiton.
<EDIT> First responders would likely have been from Kingston as it's the closest police station.
Christ. You'd think I'd know that given I lived in Surbiton for ages. I always put it down as Surrey but that's historic shit apparently. So they're actually under the remit of the Met.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:45 pm
by Ymx
Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:54 pm
As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services
Up 31%
For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.
^^^^
This to the lazy comments about under-funding by the Tory’s
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:02 pm
by Insane_Homer
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:37 am
There is clearly a problem with rising knife crime nationwide, not sure much is gained by trying to politicise it
An adult has been taken to hospital with a suspected stab wound following an incident at Tewkesbury School, police say
The school in Gloucestershire is in lockdown after the incident
Police say they were called on Monday morning after a report that a pupil had stabbed a teacher
A teenage boy has been arrested
Tewkesbury is a state school for 11 to 18-year-olds
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66151983
Someone will be along soon claiming Cheltenham is part of greater London.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:11 pm
by C69
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:45 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:54 pm
As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services
Up 31%
For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.
^^^^
This to the lazy comments about under-funding by the Tory’s
Please feel free to address the issue about police numbers being cut.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:19 pm
by Ymx
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:30 pm
by Raggs
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:45 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:54 pm
As for the terrible Tories underfunding the police services
Up 31%
For reference over the same period GDP has increased by 8%.
^^^^
This to the lazy comments about under-funding by the Tory’s
Up 31% from that time. Up from how much from when the Tories actually took power? Then up how much when taking into account inflation?
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:42 pm
by Raggs
Here we go:
https://fullfact.org/crime/police-fundi ... and-wales/
In real terms, government funding fell by 30% from 2010/11 to 2018/19. Leading to a real term overall loss in funding of 19%.
In your diagram, 2018/19 is about £8bn, which in todays terms would be about £9.7bn which is roughly what your graph shows, so basically no real world increase, but at least no further drop I guess, so still down 30% from central government funding beforehand.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:25 pm
by Ymx
Can’t arrest way out of this, it’s complicated, says the complete failure.
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:33 pm
by Ymx
Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:42 pm
Here we go:
https://fullfact.org/crime/police-fundi ... and-wales/
In real terms, government funding fell by 30% from 2010/11 to 2018/19. Leading to a real term overall loss in funding of 19%.
In your diagram, 2018/19 is about £8bn, which in todays terms would be about £9.7bn which is roughly what your graph shows, so basically no real world increase, but at least no further drop I guess, so still down 30% from central government funding beforehand.
Per GDP terms are more important when analysing the relative spending amount in terms of resource available, for obvious reasons.
But obviously the “no money left” after Labour had an impact, though since around 2015 it’s been increased significantly.
And that’s a long time ago ….
Re: Nottingham incident with added London stabbage
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:47 pm
by Ymx
The comment “To providing young Londoners with meaningful and engaging activities” I just can’t believe.
Even after all the stabbing he’s overseen, he thinks the answer lies with youth not being bored.
Re: Nottingham incident with added London stabbage
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:05 pm
by Hal Jordan
YMX, word to the wise, never go full bimbo.
Re: Nottingham incident with added London stabbage
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:08 pm
by tabascoboy
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:05 pm
YMX, word to the wise, never go full bimbo.
Abandon thread!
Re: Nottingham incident
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:19 pm
Was this indeed the first known instance of gallows humour being employed in a workplace?
Re: Nottingham incident with added London stabbage
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:26 pm
by Ymx
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:05 pm
YMX, word to the wise, never go full bimbo.
Thanks, helpful.