Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 am
I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.
Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.
Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?
Ridiculous false equivalency.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:07 am
by Biffer
Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 am
I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.
Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.
Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?
No. Trump will dominate the media with his bs if you just ignore him, and the media in the US is such that if you don't point out his garbage yourself, it won't be challenged.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:48 am
by Kiwias
Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 am
I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.
Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.
Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?
The tone of their criticisms of Trump are far different from 2016, when Hillary called his supporters "deplorable", whereas Harris comes across as a far more decent and human person, not looking down on them in the same way.
Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 am
I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.
Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.
Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?
No. Trump will dominate the media with his bs if you just ignore him, and the media in the US is such that if you don't point out his garbage yourself, it won't be challenged.
I imagine over and over they want to ignore him and then consider (a) covering him makes us money, and (b) we can't let that slide else it might be taken as not having issue and even being accepting of the Trump take
Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 am
I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.
Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.
Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?
No. Trump will dominate the media with his bs if you just ignore him, and the media in the US is such that if you don't point out his garbage yourself, it won't be challenged.
I imagine over and over they want to ignore him and then consider (a) covering him makes us money, and (b) we can't let that slide else it might be taken as not having issue and even being accepting of the Trump take
I think you’re being overly generous, many of them want him to win so will not be critical of him or focus on the absolute garbage and his infirmity.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:10 am
by Flockwitt
Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 am
I find US elections quite entertaining but the sheer number of attack ads on Trump I see on social media, Reddit, this thread, the language used by the likes of the BBC etc., to describe his events, leads me to believe that both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to spreading shit about their opponent.
Trump is a massive karnt, and there is no lack of ammo to throw punches at him tbf. But I feel like we've been here before, and all the Democrat-suppprting "I'm so much smarter than MAGA types" banter can end badly.
Would there not be an argument for Democrats to largely ignore Trump spouting shit and just focus on selling their own ideas and policies?
I take it you don't actually follow US politics? You haven't heard Harris state her policies every opportunity she gets? It doesn't get the sound bites in the distant mass media and social media of course so for people not following the boring stuff of what is actually said over the length of an interview or rally gets skipped by.
Whereas Trump as always gets headlines because they're easy targets, or perhaps what a lot of people don't realise is that the troll farms deliberately farm exactly the theme you're parroting.
Of course when the Trump in question said he'd use the 1798 alien act, yes he actually went there, with all the connotations of what went on in WWII with Japanese heritage US citizens he should not be thoroughly condemned? The only point in Trump's favor with that one is that he almost certainly didn't know its history, just some absolute tosser like Miller let him know it could be used with a presidential executive order.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:44 pm
by Uncle fester
Just want this to be over already.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:16 pm
by epwc
"I’m glad America gets to see what CNN stands for.”
Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:48 am
... Hillary called his supporters "deplorable", whereas Harris comes across as a far more decent and human person, not looking down on them in the same way.
err, she objectifies them as attendees at Nazi rallies.
And Joy has reverted to utter Hatred as she reveals her true inner self.
Any male who won't vote for her is "misogynist and racist".
As the first presidential aspirant to drop out of the 2020 Democrat Primary she blamed that dismal and humiliating performance on Democrat voters being misogynistic and racist.
And her entire professional career has been propelled to grossly unwarranted heights through the old adage of "It's not who you know, but who you blow."
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:03 am
by convoluted
Flockwitt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:10 am
...You haven't heard Harris state her policies every opportunity she gets?...
Oh, that's wonderful Flockwitt.
Having apparently heard Heels Up state her policies over and over and deciphered them, you can easily clarify for us whether the real Harris agenda is the one as depicted on the left in this illustration or the one on the right.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:59 am
by Tichtheid
The relevance of this link to this thread comes near the end when the number of sexual assault allegations against Trump is mentioned, but it’s not the number, it’s the seeming irrelevance of them that is the “interesting” part https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rton-women
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:08 am
by Niegs
Jimmy made an appeal to potential swing voters by sharing a collection of things straight from Trump's mouth.
Link to my highlight: JFK saying things he said.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:09 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
'tis a time when the misogynists feel entitled to claim Harris has advanced to where she is on the back of sexual favours and even call her 'Heels Up'. Okay they're disgusting, but they're committed to being disgusting
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:14 am
by Kiwias
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:09 am
'tis a time when the misogynists feel entitled to claim Harris has advanced to where she is on the back of sexual favours and even call her 'Heels Up'. Okay they're disgusting, but they're committed to being disgusting
Anybody actually doing that must have a mental age of 12 or something around that.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:19 am
by Niegs
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:09 am
'tis a time when the misogynists feel entitled to claim Harris has advanced to where she is on the back of sexual favours and even call her 'Heels Up'. Okay they're disgusting, but they're committed to being disgusting
"Heels Up" isn't even a clever insult. Is the 'H' a connection, because it doesn't rhyme. At least some assholes were 'clever' enough to use "Joe and the Ho" ... but, ffs, where's the dignity? I'll never forget an interview I heard around the time of his first election with a lifelong Republican, a war veteran, saying he could never support Trump because he didn't have class. There's no specific talk about helping his supporters, just whinging about things said / done to him and riling up prejudices / stoking fires with lies against others.
With as close as things are at the moment, one wonders if Trump could have walked back into the White House by just being nice and sane, present a few actual ideas. ... hah, just keep doubling down on the insanity.
With as close as things are at the moment, one wonders if Trump could have walked back into the White House by just being nice and sane, present a few actual ideas. ...
That's the issue though... his appeal is the hatred he articulates.
We forget how complex an emotion it is and how deeply appealing it can be... I've mentioned before something along the lines of that appeal being an outlet of sorts for all the anger and displacement being felt by those who are at the mercy of shifts in the wider economy. Most of us in the 'West'... closely aligned with the US politically and unfortunately, culturally, are more than familiar with the massive shift in wealth that has occurred over the last 30 or so years. We're all swept along with it... neocapitalism, economic rationalism, market driven blah blah.
Trump gives a voice to that huge slab of US life that is watching its comfortable complacency ripped away and he provides labels for the targets.
Hate is appealing. Especially when your other emotions are stunted or poorly developed.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:35 am
by Gumboot
Yep, hatred is Trump's political currency. Carville sums it up nicely:
"Trump understands that if he abandons misogyny and racism, then his voters will leave him. And he fundamentally understands that he's gotta keep watering this tree of misogyny and racism if he's going to be successful."
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:08 am
by geordie_6
If god forbid he does get in, how long until Vance activates the 25th Amendment on Tangerine Palatine?
Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:48 am
... Hillary called his supporters "deplorable", whereas Harris comes across as a far more decent and human person, not looking down on them in the same way.
err, she objectifies them as attendees at Nazi rallies.
And Joy has reverted to utter Hatred as she reveals her true inner self.
Any male who won't vote for her is "misogynist and racist".
As the first presidential aspirant to drop out of the 2020 Democrat Primary she blamed that dismal and humiliating performance on Democrat voters being misogynistic and racist.
And her entire professional career has been propelled to grossly unwarranted heights through the old adage of "It's not who you know, but who you blow."
I suppose you do offer a"different" viewpoint so go you.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:06 am
by TedMaul
Who let this wanker back in.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:10 am
by Kiwias
TedMaul wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:06 am
Who let this wanker back in.
Don't quote the wanker, please, it negates the meaning of putting him on ignore.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:04 am
by Kiwias
Mehdi Hasan is always worth listening to, and this is excellent.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:43 am
by Jethro
Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:03 pm
So Trump is leading in 5 of the 7 swing states.
The mad barstewards are going to do it, aren't they?
Don't believe the propaganda being spewed in Downunder news services, the Blue wave is coming Bro
After the election they will be on about how the polls got it wrong, falling into the Republicans yet again claiming a stolen election.
Dude when Florida is in play, have that from a Republican worker, the party is in real trouble.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:49 pm
by TB63
He's now a ship designer ..
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:51 pm
by inactionman
TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:49 pm
He's now a ship designer ..
Someone must be taking the piss on the TV colour balances.
He's gone from orange to Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:32 pm
by TedMaul
Poor sod got in the way when a Puerto Rican was creosoting his fence
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:55 pm
by Niegs
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:43 pm
by fishfoodie
Never mind a cognitive test, this senile, fat, incontinent fuck needs a cop to do a field sobriety test on him, because there's no chance that, stone cold sober he can walk in a straight line, or close his eyes & bring his finger in & touch his nose !
All he needs to do is get a tremor in his hands & he really will be full fucking Hitler in the bunker
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:45 pm
by Kiwias
TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:49 pm
He's now a ship designer ..
I hope the front does not fall off his ship
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:02 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
A nice example of having no worthwhile point when talking about having a point
TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:49 pm
He's now a ship designer ..
I hope the front does not fall off his ship
it's not very typical !
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:39 am
by Gumboot
Dodgy as hell...
A French gambler’s $50m of bets inflated Trump’s odds - and is threatening democracy
Funded by billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel, Polymarket is forecasting a landslide for the Republican candidate. But some fear the massively inflated odds will be used by the Republican candidate as evidence that the election was stolen, writes Anthony Cuthbertson
Over the last three months, four accounts on a popular gambling site have placed thousands of bets totalling more than $50 million on Donald Trump winning the US presidential election next week. The bets, placed on prediction platform Polymarket, appear to have skewed the odds massively in Trump’s favour on the site, with the total figure representing roughly 2 per cent of all bets placed on the 2024 elections.
The four accounts – Fredi9999, Theo4, PrincessCaro, and Michie – have been traced back to a single French national with “extensive trading experience and [a] financial services background”, according to a statement from Polymarket. The betting platform said there was no evidence that the trader had placed the bets to deliberately boost Trump’s odds, though the incident has proved how easy it is for one wealthy individual to manipulate the market.
The latest figures from Polymarket give Trump a 66 per cent chance of beating Democratic rival Kamala Harris, who has just a one-in-three chance of taking the White House by these odds. Meanwhile, the latest national polling average compiled by FiveThirtyEight has a Trump victory at just 46.7 per cent and a Harris win at 48.1 per cent.
Some fear that Trump’s massively inflated betting odds could be used by his supporters as evidence that the election was stolen, while regulators have warned that gambling sites like Polymarket represent a significant threat to electoral integrity...
TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:49 pm
He's now a ship designer ..
I hope the front does not fall off his ship
it's not very typical !
Definitely no cardboard used in its construction.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 4:24 am
by Niegs
And that betting thing is why the uber rich should be taxed heavily, if not eaten.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:47 am
by Biffer
Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:39 am
Dodgy as hell...
A French gambler’s $50m of bets inflated Trump’s odds - and is threatening democracy
Funded by billionaire Trump supporter Peter Thiel, Polymarket is forecasting a landslide for the Republican candidate. But some fear the massively inflated odds will be used by the Republican candidate as evidence that the election was stolen, writes Anthony Cuthbertson
Over the last three months, four accounts on a popular gambling site have placed thousands of bets totalling more than $50 million on Donald Trump winning the US presidential election next week. The bets, placed on prediction platform Polymarket, appear to have skewed the odds massively in Trump’s favour on the site, with the total figure representing roughly 2 per cent of all bets placed on the 2024 elections.
The four accounts – Fredi9999, Theo4, PrincessCaro, and Michie – have been traced back to a single French national with “extensive trading experience and [a] financial services background”, according to a statement from Polymarket. The betting platform said there was no evidence that the trader had placed the bets to deliberately boost Trump’s odds, though the incident has proved how easy it is for one wealthy individual to manipulate the market.
The latest figures from Polymarket give Trump a 66 per cent chance of beating Democratic rival Kamala Harris, who has just a one-in-three chance of taking the White House by these odds. Meanwhile, the latest national polling average compiled by FiveThirtyEight has a Trump victory at just 46.7 per cent and a Harris win at 48.1 per cent.
Some fear that Trump’s massively inflated betting odds could be used by his supporters as evidence that the election was stolen, while regulators have warned that gambling sites like Polymarket represent a significant threat to electoral integrity...
And Polymarket has been massively pushed on twitter as well. Top of my ‘for you’ and search pages every time, despite blocking. Too many people think that betting odds reflect the actual likelihood of something happening. They don’t, they reflect the likely loss the bookies will make.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 7:48 am
by Biffer
Niegs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 4:24 am
And that betting thing is why the uber rich should be taxed heavily, if not eaten.
Saw someone pointing out that if Elon can afford to spend $500 million on the election, he can afford to pay that and more in additional tax.
Re: President Biden and US politics catchall
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 8:00 am
by Sinkers
I fear that we might look back at this election and see that Karmala lost it the day she announced the tax on capital gains, thus lining all the super rich up behind Trump.
