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Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm
by The Druid
"The Welshman is increasingly being seen as the likely leader for the tour in 2021"
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... TnOz2YKFWo
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:52 pm
by SaintK
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:53 pm
by Biffer
What would he be now, 10th or 12th best lock in the British Isles?
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:16 pm
by The Druid
Betfair have Jones at 7/4, with Farrell at 3/1 and Maro Itoje at 7/2.
Sky Bet have Jones at 9/4, Itoje at 3/1 and Farrell at 7/2.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:27 pm
by C69
How many times has Itoje captained the English team at Senior level?
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:34 pm
by Un Pilier
Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:53 pm
What would he be now, 10th or 12th best lock in the British Isles?
Not sure it’s as high as that. Great player, but this might be a Lions Tour too far. Since it’s Gats, though, 7/2 won’t be far off.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:46 pm
by Chrysoprase
The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm
"The Welshman is increasingly being seen as the likely leader for the tour in 2021"
By whom?
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:53 pm
by Hal Jordan
Shades of 2005 here.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:16 pm
by duke
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:27 pm
How many times has Itoje captained the English team at Senior level?
As many times as Martin Johnson had captained England prior to the 1997 Lions tour
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:26 pm
by The Druid
Chrysoprase wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:46 pm
The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm
"The Welshman is increasingly being seen as the likely leader for the tour in 2021"
By whom?
Betfair have Jones at 7/4, with Farrell at 3/1 and Maro Itoje at 7/2.
Sky Bet have Jones at 9/4, Itoje at 3/1 and Farrell at 7/2.
And Irish company Boyle Sports have Jones as a clear market leader at 13/8.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:12 pm
by C69
duke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:16 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:27 pm
How many times has Itoje captained the English team at Senior level?
As many times as Martin Johnson had captained England prior to the 1997 Lions tour
How many?
Rather than anecdotes
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:43 pm
by Openside
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:12 pm
duke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:16 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:27 pm
How many times has Itoje captained the English team at Senior level?
As many times as Martin Johnson had captained England prior to the 1997 Lions tour
How many?
Rather than anecdotes
0 the point being itisnt a pre-requisite
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:32 am
by C69
Openside wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:43 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:12 pm
duke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:16 pm
As many times as Martin Johnson had captained England prior to the 1997 Lions tour
How many?
Rather than anecdotes
0 the point being itisnt a pre-requisite
Not a prerequisite but very desirable to have an experienced captain in charge.
For the record I don't think AWJ will even tour.
He will be old broken by then probably.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:00 am
by Chrysoprase
The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:26 pm
Chrysoprase wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:46 pm
The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm
"The Welshman is increasingly being seen as the likely leader for the tour in 2021"
By whom?
Betfair have Jones at 7/4, with Farrell at 3/1 and Maro Itoje at 7/2.
Sky Bet have Jones at 9/4, Itoje at 3/1 and Farrell at 7/2.
And Irish company Boyle Sports have Jones as a clear market leader at 13/8.
So - a few delusional Welshmen and some bookies trying to drum up business 10 months out from the tour actually happening. Not exactly compelling is it?
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 am
by TheNatalShark
To be fair, after the six months of cobweb dusting his form might pick up. Will be interesting to see how on form players in March will be doing in a couple of months.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:16 am
by Chrysoprase
TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 am
To be fair, after the six months of cobweb dusting his form might pick up. Will be interesting to see how on form players in March will be doing in a couple of months.
We know from past experience that any attempt at picking a squad this far out is an exercise in futility. Injuries and changes in form will have a big impact over the next 10 months.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:44 am
by TheNatalShark
Chrysoprase wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:16 am
TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 am
To be fair, after the six months of cobweb dusting his form might pick up. Will be interesting to see how on form players in March will be doing in a couple of months.
We know from past experience that any attempt at picking a squad this far out is an exercise in futility. Injuries and changes in form will have a big impact over the next 10 months.
Of course, merely a contribution on the topic of writing him off for consideration at this stage.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:52 am
by Chrysoprase
TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:44 am
Chrysoprase wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:16 am
TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 am
To be fair, after the six months of cobweb dusting his form might pick up. Will be interesting to see how on form players in March will be doing in a couple of months.
We know from past experience that any attempt at picking a squad this far out is an exercise in futility. Injuries and changes in form will have a big impact over the next 10 months.
Of course, merely a contribution on the topic of writing him off for consideration at this stage.
Fair enough. He'd make a good tour manager
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:58 am
by handyman
The battle in the locks will be awesome.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:22 am
by assfly
handyman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:58 am
The battle in the locks will be awesome.
I hope so. Need to fix RG, Lood and Eben first.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:39 am
by Biffer
Chrysoprase wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:16 am
TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 am
To be fair, after the six months of cobweb dusting his form might pick up. Will be interesting to see how on form players in March will be doing in a couple of months.
We know from past experience that any attempt at picking a squad this far out is an exercise in futility. Injuries and changes in form will have a big impact over the next 10 months.
Yeah, but it's fun watching the Welsh lose their shit.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:59 am
by Chrysoprase
Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:39 am
Yeah, but it's fun watching the Welsh lose their shit.
True, although they will get to experience that from the other side when no Scots are selected beyond the usual token.
'mon the Boks
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:35 pm
by Openside
C69 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:32 am
Openside wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:43 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:12 pm
How many?
Rather than anecdotes
0 the point being itisnt a pre-requisite
Not a prerequisite but very desirable to have an experienced captain in charge.
For the record I don't think AWJ will even tour.
He will be old broken by then probably.
I agree AWJ is awesome, however his best days are however behind him.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:38 am
by LandOTurk
Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:39 am
Chrysoprase wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:16 am
TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 am
To be fair, after the six months of cobweb dusting his form might pick up. Will be interesting to see how on form players in March will be doing in a couple of months.
We know from past experience that any attempt at picking a squad this far out is an exercise in futility. Injuries and changes in form will have a big impact over the next 10 months.
Yeah, but it's fun watching the Welsh lose their shit.
Recent history has shown its the Irish who have major meltdown's through over-inflating their players' abilities, and the Scots who go into depression. The English keep a stiff upper lip, and the Welsh produce the best stuff. Give or take.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:38 am
by LandOTurk
Openside wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:35 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:32 am
Openside wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:43 pm
0 the point being itisnt a pre-requisite
Not a prerequisite but very desirable to have an experienced captain in charge.
For the record I don't think AWJ will even tour.
He will be old broken by then probably.
I agree AWJ is awesome, however his best days are however behind him.
Too many howevers there.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:53 am
by Zig
I wouldn't argue if he was guaranteed to play. Top player, great leader and he's got the experience but he's 5th or 6th choice second row now though imo.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:13 am
by Sinkers
LandOTurk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:38 am
Openside wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:35 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:32 am
Not a prerequisite but very desirable to have an experienced captain in charge.
For the record I don't think AWJ will even tour.
He will be old broken by then probably.
I agree AWJ is awesome, however his best days are however behind him.
Too many howevers there.
However many howevers there was supposed to be there, two is just too many.
One however however would have been just nice.
Re: Alun Wyn Jones..........Lions captain 2021
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:52 am
by Openside
LandOTurk wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:38 am
Openside wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:35 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:32 am
Not a prerequisite but very desirable to have an experienced captain in charge.
For the record I don't think AWJ will even tour.
He will be old broken by then probably.
I agree AWJ is awesome, however his best days are however behind him.
Too many howevers there.
However, however you decide to put it you are correct.
