Ashes / Proteas vs India

[not_english]

Have to wonder, is Jimmy Anderson really too injured to play? It seems totally bizarre A) to have Woakes in the team given his poor record overseas and b) Joe Root bowling so many overs on a green wicket.

[ScarfaceClaw]

I don't think he is rated any higher than a quick, often inconsistent bowler to be fair. But the reality is they are down 2 quick fast bowlers in Archer and Stone so there are few alternatives for that role.

Overton probably deserved a run ahead of Woakes who is bang average away from home, and that is being kind.

The (print and broadcast) media fucking love Mark Wood and they gush about him as if he's Dale Steyn or even Brett Lee. He's not. He's fast but shite. He offers nothing except pace. His current series figures are fucking dismal in a series where a genuine quick should be making hay. He's taken 8 wickets at over 45, with only the injured Stokes having a worse economy rate. And yet even a week ago there were puff pieces about him. Because he's a nice guy and a touch odd.

As I write this, he's being flogged by Green and I have to go have a meeting instead of watching more of this dismal shit.

The media bumming up a mate is nothing new. If you are talking about being overrated by the media then I agree but I don't put too much weight on media opinions because they are often based on personal relationships. Sections of the media love players. Especially ones who do part time media work, or get them to help write their books etc. But you could lump almost all this England team in with him on that front especially Bairstow and Buttler. Up until now Woakes has a better economy rate by 0.1 runs per over across the series but he gets an easy ride too.

Wood is far too inconsistent and Root doesn't use his fast guys properly. Bowling short on this pitch is asking for trouble.

The media are far too cosy with this England team. Particularly the guys who have been around for a while.

You forgot that he’s also injury prone. I’m frankly astounded that he’s lasted nearly a whole tour.

[Big D]

You forgot that he’s also injury prone. I’m frankly astounded that he’s lasted nearly a whole tour.

Yeah he can't have played 4/5 tests too often.

I think Wood is probably 3rd or the 3 fast bowlers if they were all fit IMO but even if Archer and Stone were available, I still don't think Root uses them properly. It doesn't help of course when Robinson is injured and England are left with 3 quicks and no all rounder to chip in on day 1. Root has turned his arm but they are a seamer short.

[Big D]

Have to wonder, is Jimmy Anderson really too injured to play? It seems totally bizarre A) to have Woakes in the team given his poor record overseas and b) Joe Root bowling so many overs on a green wicket.

He must be injured, there is no reason to rest him as the WI tests aren't until March. Will be interesting to see what bowlers they take to the WI.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Have to wonder, is Jimmy Anderson really too injured to play? It seems totally bizarre A) to have Woakes in the team given his poor record overseas and b) Joe Root bowling so many overs on a green wicket.

He must be injured, there is no reason to rest him as the WI tests aren't until March. Will be interesting to see what bowlers they take to the WI.

Potentially his last ashes test. Certainly in Straya. A wicket so green that most Australians wouldn’t recognise that colour and he’s not playing? Has to be injured. It seems an odd decision if he isn’t.

[Grandpa]

Have to wonder, is Jimmy Anderson really too injured to play? It seems totally bizarre A) to have Woakes in the team given his poor record overseas and b) Joe Root bowling so many overs on a green wicket.

He must be injured, there is no reason to rest him as the WI tests aren't until March. Will be interesting to see what bowlers they take to the WI.

Potentially his last ashes test. Certainly in Straya. A wicket so green that most Australians wouldn’t recognise that colour and he’s not playing? Has to be injured. It seems an odd decision if he isn’t.

He is carrying an injury according to the radio here.

[JM2K6]

The media bumming up a mate is nothing new. If you are talking about being overrated by the media then I agree but I don't put too much weight on media opinions because they are often based on personal relationships. Sections of the media love players. Especially ones who do part time media work, or get them to help write their books etc. But you could lump almost all this England team in with him on that front especially Bairstow and Buttler. Up until now Woakes has a better economy rate by 0.1 runs per over across the series but he gets an easy ride too.

Wood is far too inconsistent and Root doesn't use his fast guys properly. Bowling short on this pitch is asking for trouble.

The media are far too cosy with this England team. Particularly the guys who have been around for a while.

Woakes has been getting a lot of criticism this tour, people are fairly pointing out his failings overseas and it's widely acknowledged that he's half the bowler in Oz than he is in England (even though his career stats are much better than Wood's). He's having a shocking tour. Wood on the other hand is being treated across the media & in the live coverage like he's the second coming of Frank Tyson, when he's actually Fidel Edwards in whiteface. It's a damn shame Olly Stone can't stay fit.

I realise part of this is that we rarely get genuinely quick bowlers, so any we do get are treated like unicorns and aren't judged objectively.

[JM2K6]

You forgot that he’s also injury prone. I’m frankly astounded that he’s lasted nearly a whole tour.

Yeah he can't have played 4/5 tests too often.

I think Wood is probably 3rd or the 3 fast bowlers if they were all fit IMO but even if Archer and Stone were available, I still don't think Root uses them properly. It doesn't help of course when Robinson is injured and England are left with 3 quicks and no all rounder to chip in on day 1. Root has turned his arm but they are a seamer short.

Agree with that. Also mentioned back in the summer that Robinson's carrying a lot of extra weight and it's his one big problem right now. He's been consistently producing the goods, not that you'd know it given England's reluctance to acknowledge his success, but he does need to be a lot fitter.

[handyman]

29 needed.

[handyman]

29 needed.

Make that 20.

In the bag me thinks! Another one for the good guys.

[Rinkals]

Never in doubt.

[handyman]

Sensational test and series victory by South Africa. India remains without a series victory in South Africa.

Well done lads!

After yesterday's antics by India, this win is quite satisfying. Kry vir julle!

[Insane_Homer]

fricken Awesome!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooooo

[FalseBayFC]

What a comeback to win that series! I'd hate to be playing cricket in Cape Town today. Its about 36 degrees in the Southern Suburbs with very little breeze. Elgar, Bavuma, Petersen, Jansen and KG all get top marks imo. Lots of steel and application showed.

[Big D]

The media bumming up a mate is nothing new. If you are talking about being overrated by the media then I agree but I don't put too much weight on media opinions because they are often based on personal relationships. Sections of the media love players. Especially ones who do part time media work, or get them to help write their books etc. But you could lump almost all this England team in with him on that front especially Bairstow and Buttler. Up until now Woakes has a better economy rate by 0.1 runs per over across the series but he gets an easy ride too.

Wood is far too inconsistent and Root doesn't use his fast guys properly. Bowling short on this pitch is asking for trouble.

The media are far too cosy with this England team. Particularly the guys who have been around for a while.

Woakes has been getting a lot of criticism this tour, people are fairly pointing out his failings overseas and it's widely acknowledged that he's half the bowler in Oz than he is in England (even though his career stats are much better than Wood's). He's having a shocking tour. Wood on the other hand is being treated across the media & in the live coverage like he's the second coming of Frank Tyson, when he's actually Fidel Edwards in whiteface. It's a damn shame Olly Stone can't stay fit.

I realise part of this is that we rarely get genuinely quick bowlers, so any we do get are treated like unicorns and aren't judged objectively.

I think we are broadly in agreement.

Overton should have been playing today for one of Woods/Woakes.

England have a bit of a bowling conundrum ahead of the March WIndies tour. Robinson, Anderson and Broad are their best bowlers and Woakes is poor abroad and Wood too inconsistent/not used correctly and Overton not bowled since god knows when. Leach is rotten, although treated poorly and Bess wasn't really trusted.

Do they look to bring in a Mahmood, Cook or Fisher? Maybe the guy from Durham (I think) to freshen up the pace attack? Is Curran fit? Is Curran good enough abroad?

Do they persist with Leach when they know and he knows that they don't trust him? Do they go to Bess, Crane or Parkinson? Bess got gubbed by Aus A.

If Stokes can't bowl do they look at squeezing in an all rounder like Bohannon (who they seem to like) who whilst not a bowler first can bowl 4-5 overs to give a break? Half jokingly I'd go for the zero fucks option and let Livingstone loose in the West Indies. We're as well being entertained.

[OomStruisbaai]

India never beat us in a test series in South Africa.

[OomStruisbaai]

Paartliet deserved player of the series.

Excellent series win.

Will they change us to the top lot getting 4 tests?

[OomStruisbaai]

South Africa ODI squad

Temba Bavuma (captain), Keshav Maharaj (vice-captain), Quinton de Kock (wicketkeeper), Zubayr Hamza, Marco Jansen, Janneman Malan, Sisanda Magala, Aiden Markram, David Miller, Lungi Ngidi, Wayne Parnell, Andile Phehlukwayo, Dwaine Pretorius, Kagiso Rabada, Tabraiz Shamsi, Rassie van der Dussen, Kyle Verreynne.

India ODI squad

KL Rahul (Capt), Shikhar Dhawan, Ruturaj Gaekwad, Virat Kohli, Surya Kumar Yadav, Shreyas Iyer, Venkatesh Iyer, Rishabh Pant (wk), Ishan Kishan (wk), Yuzvendra Chahal, Ravichandran Ashwin, Washington Sundar, Jasprit Bumrah (VC), Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Deepak Chahar, Prasidh Krishna, Shardul Thakur, Mohammed Siraj.

Series Schedule

19 January 2022: 1st ODI at Boland Park, Paarl - 02:00PM (IST)
21 January 2022: 2nd ODI at Boland Park, Paarl - 02:00PM
23 January 2022: 3rd ODI at Newlands Cricket Ground - 02:00PM

[Thommo]

Could a few of the Indian camp be in trouble after the game? I have just read about their accusations following the Elgar review - you can be unhappy but accusing the broadcaster of cheating is crossing a line.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/sa-v ... ar-1296835

I was just reading that. Sounds like petulant India is back. Mind you, Saffas have a history of doing this sort of thing.

South Africans have a history of using DRS to cheat? I can see why you post mainly on PR.

No, no. A history of cheating. Glad I could clear that up.

[Thommo]

India never beat us in a test series in South Africa.

It's a tough place to win for visiting teams, boet.

Love seeing India lose as much as seeing them throw toys out of their pram.

[Gumboot]

Aus all out for 303.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're in a position to enforce the follow on later tonight.

[Gumboot]

Burns runs himself out in the second over.

He now has 8 ducks in his last 22 test innings.

[handyman]

India never beat us in a test series in South Africa.

It's a tough place to win for visiting teams, boet.

Love seeing India lose as much as seeing them throw toys out of their pram.

Cannot imagine a better win than a series in India.

[Happyhooker]

Burns runs himself out in the second over.

He now has 8 ducks in his last 22 test innings.

Tbf, it was Crawley who called it

[Gumboot]

Burns runs himself out in the second over.

He now has 8 ducks in his last 22 test innings.

Tbf, it was Crawley who called it

True, but there was a single there if Burns had gone hard on the call.

[Happyhooker]

Burns runs himself out in the second over.

He now has 8 ducks in his last 22 test innings.

Tbf, it was Crawley who called it

True, but there was a single there if Burns had gone hard on the call.

Yea, he looked a little casual

[Calculon]

I was just reading that. Sounds like petulant India is back. Mind you, Saffas have a history of doing this sort of thing.

South Africans have a history of using DRS to cheat? I can see why you post mainly on PR.

Was hoping to get some Aussies over here. When it comes to cricket they are most arrogant cheats and pricks.

I'd rather have the Irish , the Aussies will just turn this forum into Planet Rugby mk2. I see south Africa is scheduld to play 2 away tests against the Black Caps next month. I wonder if it will go ahead considering the covid restrictions in New Zealand

[Gumboot]

I see south Africa is scheduld to play 2 away tests against the Black Caps next month. I wonder if it will go ahead considering the covid restrictions in New Zealand

With omicron expected to be widespread here within weeks, it's anyone's guess.

Our later tour of Aus is also in doubt as there's no guarantee the players can get MIQ places upon their return.

[OomStruisbaai]

I see south Africa is scheduld to play 2 away tests against the Black Caps next month. I wonder if it will go ahead considering the covid restrictions in New Zealand

With omicron expected to be widespread here within weeks, it's anyone's guess.

Our later tour of Aus is also in doubt as there's no guarantee the players can get MIQ places upon their return.

Will be sad if we can't play the Black Caps.

Why would they allow Bangladesh and not the Proteas?

Maybe play in South Africa then. We are past our peak and may allow spectators in a week or two

[OomStruisbaai]

India never beat us in a test series in South Africa.

It's a tough place to win for visiting teams, boet.

Love seeing India lose as much as seeing them throw toys out of their pram.

Australia have our number in South Africa. Must be the bouncy wickets both countries play their cricket on.

After much suffering I am so happy to see the Proteas moving forward.

Now the vokken politicians can leave Boucher and Graeme Smith doing their job.

[Calculon]

I see south Africa is scheduld to play 2 away tests against the Black Caps next month. I wonder if it will go ahead considering the covid restrictions in New Zealand

With omicron expected to be widespread here within weeks, it's anyone's guess.

Our later tour of Aus is also in doubt as there's no guarantee the players can get MIQ places upon their return.

Is NZ planning to open up or would the people rather remain isolated?

[Rinkals]

India never beat us in a test series in South Africa.

It's a tough place to win for visiting teams, boet.

Love seeing India lose as much as seeing them throw toys out of their pram.

Would you like to explain that?

I was under the impression that our bowling attack was pretty decent, but you are making it sound as though it's all due to unplayable pitches.

[Kiwias]

I see south Africa is scheduld to play 2 away tests against the Black Caps next month. I wonder if it will go ahead considering the covid restrictions in New Zealand

With omicron expected to be widespread here within weeks, it's anyone's guess.

Our later tour of Aus is also in doubt as there's no guarantee the players can get MIQ places upon their return.

Is NZ planning to open up or would the people rather remain isolated?

We have a challenge for most moronic post of the last twelve months.

[Gumboot]

Follow on averted.

[FalseBayFC]

With omicron expected to be widespread here within weeks, it's anyone's guess.

Our later tour of Aus is also in doubt as there's no guarantee the players can get MIQ places upon their return.

Is NZ planning to open up or would the people rather remain isolated?

We have a challenge for most moronic post of the last twelve months.

Not that moronic. My NZ relatives and friends tell me that there is a kind of tension between those wanting a faster opening up and those who are quite happy to draw out the process. Obviously there are polar views held by extremists on both sides and the majority sit somewhere on a scale between those poles.

[Torquemada 1420]

Smith for a duck too. Australia, maybe feeling the pressure of the dead rubber, fall to 3 down.

I wondered after having failed to press to 4-0 and keep alive the possibility of the whitewash, if there might be a loss of focus i.e. the opposite of pressure.

That said, normal service appears to have resumed after the wake up call.

And how....

Being run out for a duck is beyond negligent.

[Gumboot]

I wonder if Warner's drop is down to all the bloody tape around his fingers.

[Calculon]

Is NZ planning to open up or would the people rather remain isolated?

We have a challenge for most moronic post of the last twelve months.

Not that moronic. My NZ relatives and friends tell me that there is a kind of tension between those wanting a faster opening up and those who are quite happy to draw out the process. Obviously there are polar views held by extremists on both sides and the majority sit somewhere on a scale between those poles.

Yeah, I have zero connection to NZ but it will be interesting to see what they do. Omicron won't be the last variant so will they shut down/ delay opening when the next variant appears? A New Zealaners perspective would be interesting.

[Insane_Homer]

156/7

[Thommo]

India never beat us in a test series in South Africa.

It's a tough place to win for visiting teams, boet.

Love seeing India lose as much as seeing them throw toys out of their pram.

Would you like to explain that?

I was under the impression that our bowling attack was pretty decent, but you are making it sound as though it's all due to unplayable pitches.

SA's record at home is like Australia's because it's a hard place for visiting teams. The pitches have terrific bounce.

As Oom said, Australia do well over there because it's just like playing at home.

Also, your bowling attack is pretty decent.