England in Australia

[Ovals]

No Alfie Barbeary !!!!

[Kawazaki]

Alex Mitchell is a better 9 than Randall.
Ben Earl is a better 7 than Underhill.
Alex Goode is a (much) better 15/10 than Furbank.

[sockwithaticket]

Our tight five is a mess at the moment. We've got a couple of class options at loosehead and hooker plus Maro at lock, but after that its a lot of mediocrity or untested youth. I want Isiekwe to be given the chance to stake a claim at second row, but Eddie's not treated him particularly well so far, don't see why that would pick up now.

Good to see Porter and Dingwall included, hopefully as centres. We desperately need 12 options in case Farrell goes down again. Equally we need 13s that complement Farrell. Slade isn't one, Marchant potentially is and I think Dingwall could surprise us all if given a chance.

No Alfie Barbeary !!!!

Or Launchbury. To be expected given that neither made the cut for squad selected ahead of the Baabaas game, but it is confusing as to why they were left out of that one. Haven't been able to pick up anything about either player being injured.

[Margin__Walker]

Launchbury is injured Sock

[sockwithaticket]

Launchbury is injured Sock

Ah, balls. Usually the Coventry Telegraph is pretty on it with reporting minutiae about the Wasps squad, so, as they hadn't mentioned anything and nor had the club, I'd assumed he was fit.

[Slick]

Care back, Billy back (Dombrandt obviously injured), Arundell going, still not understanding the Ewels selection, same with Rodd and Schickerling but the glaring omission for me is Ben Earl, streets ahead of any of the other back row players in the squad.

Eddie Jones is a dickhead. When you understand that then everything else makes sense.

His treatment of Will Collier yesterday seemed particularly vindictive.

[Torquemada 1420]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

There is something vaguely amusing seeing Eng fans acting the same way as Fre fans have done for 20 odd years under various managers.

[Ovals]

Alex Mitchell is a better 9 than Randall.
Ben Earl is a better 7 than Underhill.
Alex Goode is a (much) better 15/10 than Furbank.

I've pretty well given up on England until after the next world cup - Eddy just makes the whole thing seem rather pointless - We're already a bit short of talent but Eddy just compounds the issue by picking deadwood like Ewels.

[OomStruisbaai]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

There is something vaguely amusing seeing Eng fans acting the same way as Fre fans have done for 20 odd years under various managers.

South Africa fire world cup winning coaches.

Sharks supporters moan for decades not having enough players in the Springbok team.

You don't see many Saffer supporters backing the other provinces players.

Having so many overseas players did help a lot nowadays.

[PCPhil]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

There is something vaguely amusing seeing Eng fans acting the same way as Fre fans have done for 20 odd years under various managers.

Well we’re like brothers really.

Apart from you lot smell of garlic, never wash and are so duplicitous.

[Guy Smiley]

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

There is something vaguely amusing seeing Eng fans acting the same way as Fre fans have done for 20 odd years under various managers.

Well we’re like brothers really.

Apart from you lot smell of garlic, never wash and are so duplicitous.

Says the soap dodger

[Niegs]

Can you honestly say you give a flying fuck about the Hillary shield or the Millenium trophy? I care about beating the teams with whom we're apparently contesting these cabinet ornaments, but the items themselves are a dumb gimmick.

I don't care or even know the names of the cups but that doesn't mean they're a bad thing. They're for the players really and they seem to enjoy winning something tangible that can be held aloft and have the win engraved with their victory just like the little shield you may still cherish after winning the U18s Cup or whatever. But this was the same when the Calcutta Cup was introduced, you don't need a cup to play for to have a fixture but it's symbolic of that fixture and that fixture alone. After 100 years it collects gravitas and history and then people like you would complain if it was removed.

I'm not convinced the players do care all that much about most of them. Calcutta Cup or Triple Crown, sure, but none of the more recent tin pot ones. The difference between the older ones, which were obviously new at some point, is that they arose organically in the amateur era not because Dave from marketing thought adding a cup would spice up a fixture.

This gen must LOVE pics with them for their socials profiles and the likes!

And didn’t they have cups and plates and shields for everything back in the day? An old rugby tradition more than new age marketing, I reckon.

[assfly]

As a neutral, the one glaring omission is Ben Earls. Seems head and shoulders above all 7s in the prem. I would hate to play against him

[sockwithaticket]

As a neutral, the one glaring omission is Ben Earls. Seems head and shoulders above all 7s in the prem. I would hate to play against him

I've seen quite a lot of people on the internet bemoaning his absence, yet not able to spell his name correctly. It's a little funny.

[assfly]

As a neutral, the one glaring omission is Ben Earls. Seems head and shoulders above all 7s in the prem. I would hate to play against him

I've seen quite a lot of people on the internet bemoaning his absence, yet not able to spell his name correctly. It's a little funny.

my bad. That usually drives me insane, I can't believe I never noticed.

[sockwithaticket]

As a neutral, the one glaring omission is Ben Earls. Seems head and shoulders above all 7s in the prem. I would hate to play against him

I've seen quite a lot of people on the internet bemoaning his absence, yet not able to spell his name correctly. It's a little funny.

my bad. That usually drives me insane, I can't believe I never noticed.

I saw a few calls for Earle elsewhere which left me wondering for a moment whether Nathan Earle had been tearing it up for Newcastle under the radar

As to your initial point, after the 2021 6 Nations Eddie said some players had played their last for England and I think I'm right in saying Earl's been excluded since then. Eddie later expanded on that in an interview (wish I could find it again) essentially saying that he understimated how divisive the Saracens salary cap scandal and calling up players from the Championship (particularly with some being bang out of form) would be inside the squad. I know some of the Saracens players when interviewed at the time about the scandal were fairly bullish in their support of the club. Although Earl was on loan with Bristol at the time, if you see him with Saracens now he's always leading the screaming and whooping after penalties and such, so I think it's fair to say he buys into what Sarries are all about. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part, when the salary cap issue was brought up in camp (which I think is a given, even if it was just to try and take the piss rather than have a serious discussion) he was a bit too vigorous in Saracens defence?

[Kawazaki]

I've seen quite a lot of people on the internet bemoaning his absence, yet not able to spell his name correctly. It's a little funny.

my bad. That usually drives me insane, I can't believe I never noticed.

I saw a few calls for Earle elsewhere which left me wondering for a moment whether Nathan Earle had been tearing it up for Newcastle under the radar

As to your initial point, after the 2021 6 Nations Eddie said some players had played their last for England and I think I'm right in saying Earl's been excluded since then. Eddie later expanded on that in an interview (wish I could find it again) essentially saying that he understimated how divisive the Saracens salary cap scandal and calling up players from the Championship (particularly with some being bang out of form) would be inside the squad. I know some of the Saracens players when interviewed at the time about the scandal were fairly bullish in their support of the club. Although Earl was on loan with Bristol at the time, if you see him with Saracens now he's always leading the screaming and whooping after penalties and such, so I think it's fair to say he buys into what Sarries are all about. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part, when the salary cap issue was brought up in camp (which I think is a given, even if it was just to try and take the piss rather than have a serious discussion) he was a bit too vigorous in Saracens defence?

He's the best English openside in the Premiership. He has speed that most wingers would die for together with very effective power through the tackle. These are the only things the England coach should be selecting.

All the guess work crap you've come up with is just that. Crap.

[sockwithaticket]

my bad. That usually drives me insane, I can't believe I never noticed.

I saw a few calls for Earle elsewhere which left me wondering for a moment whether Nathan Earle had been tearing it up for Newcastle under the radar

As to your initial point, after the 2021 6 Nations Eddie said some players had played their last for England and I think I'm right in saying Earl's been excluded since then. Eddie later expanded on that in an interview (wish I could find it again) essentially saying that he understimated how divisive the Saracens salary cap scandal and calling up players from the Championship (particularly with some being bang out of form) would be inside the squad. I know some of the Saracens players when interviewed at the time about the scandal were fairly bullish in their support of the club. Although Earl was on loan with Bristol at the time, if you see him with Saracens now he's always leading the screaming and whooping after penalties and such, so I think it's fair to say he buys into what Sarries are all about. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part, when the salary cap issue was brought up in camp (which I think is a given, even if it was just to try and take the piss rather than have a serious discussion) he was a bit too vigorous in Saracens defence?

He's the best English openside in the Premiership. He has speed that most wingers would die for together with very effective power through the tackle. These are the only things the England coach should be selecting.

All the guess work crap you've come up with is just that. Crap.

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.

[Kawazaki]

I saw a few calls for Earle elsewhere which left me wondering for a moment whether Nathan Earle had been tearing it up for Newcastle under the radar

As to your initial point, after the 2021 6 Nations Eddie said some players had played their last for England and I think I'm right in saying Earl's been excluded since then. Eddie later expanded on that in an interview (wish I could find it again) essentially saying that he understimated how divisive the Saracens salary cap scandal and calling up players from the Championship (particularly with some being bang out of form) would be inside the squad. I know some of the Saracens players when interviewed at the time about the scandal were fairly bullish in their support of the club. Although Earl was on loan with Bristol at the time, if you see him with Saracens now he's always leading the screaming and whooping after penalties and such, so I think it's fair to say he buys into what Sarries are all about. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part, when the salary cap issue was brought up in camp (which I think is a given, even if it was just to try and take the piss rather than have a serious discussion) he was a bit too vigorous in Saracens defence?

He's the best English openside in the Premiership. He has speed that most wingers would die for together with very effective power through the tackle. These are the only things the England coach should be selecting.

All the guess work crap you've come up with is just that. Crap.

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.

Ben Youngs has got 115 caps, 71 of those courtesy of Jones.

Explain that!

[fishfoodie]

He's the best English openside in the Premiership. He has speed that most wingers would die for together with very effective power through the tackle. These are the only things the England coach should be selecting.

All the guess work crap you've come up with is just that. Crap.

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.

Ben Youngs has got 115 caps, 71 of those courtesy of Jones.

Explain that!

It is impossible to separate a cube into two cubes, or a fourth power into two fourth powers, or in general, any power higher than the second, into two like powers. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain.

[LenCohen]

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.


Watching Earl the last two weeks, he seems to be a bit of a gurning, whooping eejit and proabbly a bit annoying to be around. Stuff like that counts against you.

[SaintK]

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.


Watching Earl the last two weeks, he seems to be a bit of a gurning, whooping eejit and proabbly a bit annoying to be around. Stuff like that counts against you.

Easily the best English openside in the Premiership at the moment whatever faces he pulls
Lets not get started on the whooping and hollering thing, they all do it!!

[sockwithaticket]

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.


Watching Earl the last two weeks, he seems to be a bit of a gurning, whooping eejit and proabbly a bit annoying to be around. Stuff like that counts against you.

If that were sufficient to rule anyone out, then Maro wouldn't be there. That said his whooping and screaming isn't necessarily as conspicuous as it once was.

[sockwithaticket]

Ben Youngs has got 115 caps, 71 of those courtesy of Jones.

Explain that!

There are a few true mysteries of the universe with no semblance of an answer.

[PCPhil]

Once every 15 or so games Youngs has a game of fluidic passing, spot on kicking and sprinting for tries that other scrum halves can only dream about.


That and the compromising pictures of Eddie and a sheep …….

[JM2K6]

Ok, then, how do you explain his continued squad absence? He should be there on form, so why is Eddie excluding him? Of course I'm speculating, but all we have to go on are previous general comments he's made because he's not in the habit of explaining specific selection decisions.


Watching Earl the last two weeks, he seems to be a bit of a gurning, whooping eejit and proabbly a bit annoying to be around. Stuff like that counts against you.

I've mentioned this before but Earl has (had, if the last month is anything to go by) a habit of being incredibly loose on the field. He used to reliably lose the ball in contact when he really shouldn't, and gave away really dumb penalties. I can see that really winding Eddie up. His talent is unquestionable though, and in a few big games at the squeaky end of the season he's really shone.

Thing is, I'm not sure I agree he's the best 7 we have. Those not being selected for internationals are always likely to show up a little better in club rugby; I don't think he's obviously a better option than Tom Curry or Jack Willis, both of whom are phenomenal players. He does deserve to be considered alongside them (and ahead of Underhill for sure) so if he's PNG for whatever reason that's just Eddie being a twat again.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Eddie has given Earls a number of chances, a good number more than says Eddie is biased against him. All of which Earls didn't do much with, and with Simmonds back in the squad that likely adds to the idea Eddie doesn't want/need what Earls offers.

At this point Earls is a really good club player who hasn't excelled on the international stage, he's hardly the only one in that boat, and if he plays well he's doing all he can to get another chance. It doesn't though feel like we need to worry Eddie will not recall someone, I mean he's just recalled Care who really did annoy Jones

[Kawazaki]

Eddie has given Earls a number of chances, a good number more than says Eddie is biased against him. All of which Earls didn't do much with, and with Simmonds back in the squad that likely adds to the idea Eddie doesn't want/need what Earls offers.

At this point Earls is a really good club player who hasn't excelled on the international stage, he's hardly the only one in that boat, and if he plays well he's doing all he can to get another chance. It doesn't though feel like we need to worry Eddie will not recall someone, I mean he's just recalled Care who really did annoy Jones

Oh do fuck off. Jesus wept.

[JM2K6]

Eddie has given Earls a number of chances, a good number more than says Eddie is biased against him. All of which Earls didn't do much with, and with Simmonds back in the squad that likely adds to the idea Eddie doesn't want/need what Earls offers.

At this point Earls is a really good club player who hasn't excelled on the international stage, he's hardly the only one in that boat, and if he plays well he's doing all he can to get another chance. It doesn't though feel like we need to worry Eddie will not recall someone, I mean he's just recalled Care who really did annoy Jones

Loads of chances. 13 whole chances.

Zero starts.

269 minutes in total. Averaging 20 minutes a game. So that's less than 3 1/2 matches worth of game time, spread out over 13 appearances and 2 seasons.

A good number of chances.



I'd also like to remind members of the jury that Charlie Ewels has 31 caps (15 starts) and 1178 minutes in total - over 14 1/2 full matches worth of time on the pitch.



I'd also like to remind people that his name is Ben Earl not Earls. He might look like he'd fit in during a family reunion orgy in Cork, but he's not related to Keet.

[Hal Jordan]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

[Oxbow]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Do you think he can count up to that many?

[SaintK]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Shouldn't haver been on tour anyway. One and a half matches since January

[sockwithaticket]

Eddie has given Earls a number of chances, a good number more than says Eddie is biased against him. All of which Earls didn't do much with, and with Simmonds back in the squad that likely adds to the idea Eddie doesn't want/need what Earls offers.

At this point Earls is a really good club player who hasn't excelled on the international stage, he's hardly the only one in that boat, and if he plays well he's doing all he can to get another chance. It doesn't though feel like we need to worry Eddie will not recall someone, I mean he's just recalled Care who really did annoy Jones

Loads of chances. 13 whole chances.

Zero starts.

269 minutes in total. Averaging 20 minutes a game. So that's less than 3 1/2 matches worth of game time, spread out over 13 appearances and 2 seasons.

A good number of chances.



I'd also like to remind members of the jury that Charlie Ewels has 31 caps (15 starts) and 1178 minutes in total - over 14 1/2 full matches worth of time on the pitch.



I'd also like to remind people that his name is Ben Earl not Earls. He might look like he'd fit in during a family reunion orgy in Cork, but he's not related to Keet.

It's also not Earle, which I've seen around a lot in other corners of the internet while people marvel at his exclusion from the squad. Made me wonder for a minute whether I'd missed Nathan Earle tearing it up at Newcastle and actually warrant an England call up.

[Hal Jordan]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Do you think he can count up to that many?

He packed down on the blindside, that's 6. Surely it is not beyond the wit of man to teach him to go one higher.

"Some beans."

[SaintK]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Be interesting to know who else was on the flight with him. For some reason the squad were split up and flew to Australia on 4 different flights
Wonder who his roomie is?

[Kawazaki]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Shouldn't haver been on tour anyway. One and a half matches since January

And not as quick or elusive as Radwan. He butchered a 2 on 1 against the BB as well. Horrific lack of skill.

[Kawazaki]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Be interesting to know who else was on the flight with him. For some reason the squad were split up and flew to Australia on 4 different flights
Wonder who his roomie is?

They flew business class and there aren't enough seats on one plane for them all, they needed four planes apparently. 36 players plus maybe another 5 in business and maybe 5 more in economy. At a conservative estimate, I reckon the cost of flights alone will have cost £250,000.

[SaintK]

Jonny May tests positive for Covid, seven days isolation.

Here we go!

Be interesting to know who else was on the flight with him. For some reason the squad were split up and flew to Australia on 4 different flights
Wonder who his roomie is?

They flew business class and there aren't enough seats on one plane for them all, they needed four planes apparently. 36 players plus maybe another 5 in business and maybe 5 more in economy. At a conservative estimate, I reckon the cost of flights alone will have cost £250,000.

Yes, probably! Though I lways thought there are about 50 seats in business class in a modern jumbo jet.

[ASMO]

Be interesting to know who else was on the flight with him. For some reason the squad were split up and flew to Australia on 4 different flights
Wonder who his roomie is?

They flew business class and there aren't enough seats on one plane for them all, they needed four planes apparently. 36 players plus maybe another 5 in business and maybe 5 more in economy. At a conservative estimate, I reckon the cost of flights alone will have cost £250,000.

Yes, probably! Though I lways thought there are about 50 seats in business class in a modern jumbo jet.

I guarantee they are not paying full whack for those flights

[Margin__Walker]

It's okay lads. On the 5 live podcast this week Ugo is tipping England because of our depth in the front row and (*checks notes) Second row especially.