Law question- Farrell tackle

[Rhubarb & Custard]

We should reject the premise Farrell was even making a tackle, that's a shoulder charge, an assault even, but it's not a tackle.

[clydecloggie]

Predictions for how many games he will be banned for, if any?

Repeat offender, no deduction for tackle school, no mitigation - it should be 6 weeks, i.e. 2 warm-ups plus the entire pool phase of the RWC.

They'll find mitigation in George pushing Basham into Farrell's path, Farrell wasn't actually planning to tackle and just braced for the collision.

Verdict: 3 weeks.

I'm so so sorry and can any Aussie lawyers with jobs on WR panels please get the feck out of NPR. It was a joke. A joke. Not some alternative truth wanker crap to actually base serious decisions on. Thank you.

[Yr Alban]

It really is a sad day for rugby. Atrocious decision.

I thought they would fudge this in the same way they did with Sexton and Zander Fagerson, but that with Farrell’s previous he’d still have to sit out a match or two. Well, they’ve excelled themselves. I didn’t even know that rescinding the red card entirely was an option on the table. I’ve certainly never heard of it happening before.

Having watched the video… just wow.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Will be interesting to see if WR appeal this. I think they get 48hrs to appeal.

I don't properly understand this, is it not WR making the decision?

Independent disciplinary panel. I think they need to appeal just to get it clear for their refs. Would be a real shame if a match at the world cup is ruined due to a blown call (not that Saturday was IMO).

They absolutely should appeal this decision, for all the right and correct reasons. But they probably won't, leaving all of us in bewilderment.

[Margin__Walker]

It really is a sad day for rugby. Atrocious decision.

I thought they would fudge this in the same way they did with Sexton and Zander Fagerson, but that with Farrell’s previous he’d still have to sit out a match or two. Well, they’ve excelled themselves. I didn’t even know that rescinding the red card entirely was an option on the table. I’ve certainly never heard of it happening before.

Having watched the video… just wow.

I've seen red cards rescinded before by the panel.

Nothing with one as bang to rights as that though.

[Brazil]

At least we know what Bob Massingbird's been up to since Blackadder bought it.

[Yr Alban]

It really is a sad day for rugby. Atrocious decision.

I thought they would fudge this in the same way they did with Sexton and Zander Fagerson, but that with Farrell’s previous he’d still have to sit out a match or two. Well, they’ve excelled themselves. I didn’t even know that rescinding the red card entirely was an option on the table. I’ve certainly never heard of it happening before.

Having watched the video… just wow.

I've seen red cards rescinded before by the panel.

Nothing with one as bang to rights as that though.

It is quite something. I’m trying to recall how long Fagerson got for the RC that cost us the game v Wales, and potentially the 6N title. It was a brainless and unnecessary charge into a ruck, but it was still way less worthy of a RC than this. He’s completely upright and launching upwards. How was it ever going to be legal?

[fishfoodie]

I'm sure Ireland can dig up some headhunter from the lower divisions, who would be thrilled at at the prospect to administering a little mob justice, for their one & only cap

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Or we could just play Bundee ?

[Insane_Homer]

At the hearing it will be found that it was entirely the welshies fault for being near Farrell (they should know by now what he's like) and not doing enough to avoid getting hit on the head.
Farrell will get an apology from ref, tmo & the welshie and ordered to pay Farrell compensation for grave injustice of it all.

oh...

[Hal Jordan]

George Ford on 5Live:

Ford: “It’s great for us in terms of having our captain and leader back in, and getting away with… (breath) obviously going through the process and cracking on as normal.”

[Slick]

George Ford on 5Live:

Ford: “It’s great for us in terms of having our captain and leader back in, and getting away with… (breath) obviously going through the process and cracking on as normal.”

Just listened to that, it's cracking on audio

[sockwithaticket]

We should reject the premise Farrell was even making a tackle, that's a shoulder charge, an assault even, but it's not a tackle.

Indeed. This ruling is flying in the face of established precedent.

[Tichtheid]

I'm sure Ireland can dig up some headhunter from the lower divisions, who would be thrilled at at the prospect to administering a little mob justice, for their one & only cap

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Or we could just play Bundee ?

I’m not entirely convinced that Farrell’s dad would pick someone to deliberately injure him, but you never know

[dpedin]

Disgraceful and unbelievable decision! Farrell clearly leads with shoulder into head with his wrap arm by his side. This is clearly a 'political' decision to avoid England having to go to RWC without their captain. This unfortunately will set the standard for all tackles in the RWC and it could potentially become very messy as countries appeal decisions and use the video of the Farrell tackle as the benchmark. I honestly thought world rugby was working very hard to eradicate the high tackle but this decision sets it back 10 years! Hopefully it will be overturned.

[petej]

Absolutely shocking decision. The message it sends is terrible. Undermines the refs. Not a huge surprise to the non-casual fans of English rugby. He's a card waiting to happen that frequently doesn't happen when it should.

[Big D]

I don't see this as World Rugby's fault. They've stated slcpear guidelines and the panel have ignored them.

[PornDog]

What more can be said? Teh arm tucked and turning the shoulder into a player should be a red card in its own right, regardless of where you make contact, yet frequently goes completely unpunished. Absolute farce!

Poor Toga must be rubbing himself raw!

[petej]

George Ford on 5Live:

Ford: “It’s great for us in terms of having our captain and leader back in, and getting away with… (breath) obviously going through the process and cracking on as normal.”

Do you have a link to that audio clip?

[Ymx]

Unlimited supply of get out of jail free cards.

Another one for the Farrell escape reel.

[I like neeps]

The reality is commercially rugby is circling the drain in most of its key markets and as such Sexton, Fagerson, Farrell and others are getting lighter bans than they would in another year so they play in the world cup.

[C69]

The message this sends out regarding player safety is ridiculous.
The fact that Farrell even threw the dice at getting of was astounding.

Fuck player safety and CTE.

Utterly corrupt and totally dangerous outcome

[petej]

The reality is commercially rugby is circling the drain in most of its key markets and as such Sexton, Fagerson, Farrell and others are getting lighter bans than they would in another year so they play in the world cup.

That is a reason to ban Farrell unless you want your product to be turgid awful spectacle.

[Blackmac]

Absolutely incredible. Every cited player just needs to roll out of video of this tackle as precedent and rugby is fucked.

[C69]

Absolutely incredible. Every cited player just needs to roll out of video of this tackle as precedent and rugby is fucked.

This

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I don't see this as World Rugby's fault. They've stated slcpear guidelines and the panel have ignored them.

Providing they appeal fair enough. If they just go along for the ride however they're complicit

[sefton]

Good to see justice is blind.

[And 1 guest]

Has anyone of any relevance in the world of rugby condemned this decision publicly? The wider repercussions in terms of what is acceptable in contact are horrendous.
Really impressed by the reactions of English posters on this.

[Line6 HXFX]

So you all going to stop watching rugby as a protest?

You can now legally shoulder charge opposition players in the head, if your mate pushes them towards you, beforehand a little bit.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Hahaha. Jesus Christ. Not even Trump would be this blatant.

[charltom]

Notwithstanding the professionalism of the Australians on the panel, isn't this just another biased decision?

Seeing how easy England's group is, and expecting Australia to be the country that faces 2nd placed England in the QF, they just want to give Borthwick the opportunity to make England weaker by picking Farrell.

[Torquemada 1420]

The message this sends out regarding player safety is ridiculous.
The fact that Farrell even threw the dice at getting of was astounding.

Fuck player safety and CTE.

Utterly corrupt and totally dangerous outcome

[Gumboot]

So you all going to stop watching rugby as a protest?

Are you?


Pathetic decision. The "disciplinary" committee should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.

[Torquemada 1420]

Notwithstanding the professionalism of the Australians on the panel, isn't this just another biased decision?

Seeing how easy England's group is, and expecting Australia to be the country that faces 2nd placed England in the QF, they just want to give Borthwick the opportunity to make England weaker by picking Farrell.

Already been done

[Torquemada 1420]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/to ... r-AA1fjbxf

Progressive Rugby, the campaign group that includes a number of former internationals suffering early onset dementia, described the disciplinary panel's decision as "astounding". Many other fans, ex-players and pundits have also rounded on the outcome, insisting it leaves World Rugby's player welfare policy in ruins.

Progressive Rugby's Professor John Fairclough said: “Today’s astounding decision to overturn the red given to Owen Farrell for his tackle on Taine Basham has made a mockery of World Rugby’s claim that player welfare is the game’s number one priority. Additionally, despite protestations in the judgement to the contrary, it has critically undermined the newly introduced bunker process before a global tournament and eroded confidence in the game’s judicial process which is meant to help protect those playing the game.”

[Torquemada 1420]

[Torquemada 1420]

Hahaha. Jesus Christ. Not even Trump would be this blatant.

[Sandstorm]

Sigh…….

[Paddington Bear]

Agree with Slick - this crosses a line

[Slick]

The reality is commercially rugby is circling the drain in most of its key markets and as such Sexton, Fagerson, Farrell and others are getting lighter bans than they would in another year so they play in the world cup.

I don’t but that it’s some conspiracy to get top players to the WC to be honest. Don’t know what the hell is happening, but don’t buy that

[Rhubarb & Custard]

The email address will surely be an office one which will be up on their website. But it is a bit weird, is the argument here 'bad' people don't deserve lawyers?

Why would we have a problem with someone doing their job? And why would that invite personal attacks?