New Zealand vs England - clash of the titans Cricket

[Enzedder]

Bugger me but we certainly learned from the Indians how to take the foot completely off the throttle.

[Guy Smiley]

Is it over yet?

[Enzedder]

Crappers are still bowling short intimidatory stuff which the Poms are effortlessly whacking away. Those is so poor, I am thinking they have a golf game booked at 4pm

[Gumboot]

Is it over yet?

Yep.

[Guy Smiley]

Is it over yet?

Yep.

Good. Should I blame the ref?

[Jethro]

Is it over yet?

Yep.

Good. Should I blame the ref?

Trying to find a way, but unfort the English were too good for a poor BC performance. Here we go again, light effective extinguished at the end of the tunnel

Well done England, deserved the win.

[Kiwias]

One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

[Guy Smiley]

One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

Pretty much agree with you here. Uncharacteristically poor fielding from the BCs really let England away and after that it was all in the head and over. One of those games where the overall effect from one aspect ( the poor fielding) is a bit of a distortion. We'll see, I guess.

[Ovals]

One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

Pretty much agree with you here. Uncharacteristically poor fielding from the BCs really let England away and after that it was all in the head and over. One of those games where the overall effect from one aspect ( the poor fielding) is a bit of a distortion. We'll see, I guess.

Yep - the difference between the two sides was totally due to NZ's abysmal catching. They turned a match winning position into a losing one. The way England play, they will give chances - you simply have to hold on to them or they'll turn the game around in a heartbeat.

On the plus side for NZ I thought Smith and O'Rourke looked like they could have an impact - and Henry was pretty accurate. Southee got some swing but his pace is dropping off fast. It's still an attack that could cause England problems - but they've managed to play our lads into a bit of form.

England's bowlers, despite picking up 20 wickets, appeared to lack the pace that some of them were selected for - they were way behind what O'Rourke was clocking up. NZ's batsmen could easily make runs against our attack - there's nothing there that will intimidate them - in truth, it wasn't the batting that really let them down despite some soft dismissals to our 'spinner' - they really should be making hay against him without pushing it.

Nicely set up for the next two tests - especially knowing that England also have the ability to self destruct and lose to anyone.

[Jethro]

One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

And the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is?

Time to clean out the actually Board, they are not advancing the game in NZ, are making the same mistakes we have been making since the 1970s, and have proven to be absolutely gutless when it comes to taking action. We can then look at the team.

[Gumboot]

One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

Pretty much agree with you here. Uncharacteristically poor fielding from the BCs really let England away and after that it was all in the head and over. One of those games where the overall effect from one aspect ( the poor fielding) is a bit of a distortion. We'll see, I guess.

Yep - the difference between the two sides was totally due to NZ's abysmal catching. They turned a match winning position into a losing one. The way England play, they will give chances - you simply have to hold on to them or they'll turn the game around in a heartbeat.

Absolutely this. As much as England deserved to win the test, NZ deserved to lose it. 'Catches win matches' is the oldest cliche in the game for a reason.

[Kiwias]

One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

And the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is?

Time to clean out the actually Board, they are not advancing the game in NZ, are making the same mistakes we have been making since the 1970s, and have proven to be absolutely gutless when it comes to taking action. We can then look at the team.

I agree that nobody expected the 3 - 0 whitewash of India in India.

[Guy Smiley]

One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

And the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is?

Time to clean out the actually Board, they are not advancing the game in NZ, are making the same mistakes we have been making since the 1970s, and have proven to be absolutely gutless when it comes to taking action. We can then look at the team.

I agree that nobody expected the 3 - 0 whitewash of India in India.

[Jethro]

And the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is?

Time to clean out the actually Board, they are not advancing the game in NZ, are making the same mistakes we have been making since the 1970s, and have proven to be absolutely gutless when it comes to taking action. We can then look at the team.

I agree that nobody expected the 3 - 0 whitewash of India in India.

Soon to be followed by a 3 - 0 loss to England at home, the situation is so much better than it has been in the past where the occasional series win covered up major issues. Welcome to back to the future.

[Enzedder]

One good thing to come from a series hiding is that it will put a stop to the insane talk about a Halberg for them

[Enzedder]

Excellent - they heard my bleating

Blackcaps' WTC final hopes dealt blow by points docking for slow over rate
AAP • December 4th, 2024 9:00 am

England and New Zealand have been deducted three World Test Championship points for slow over rates during their series opener in Christchurch.
Both teams were also fined 15 per cent of their match fees for the offence.
Although England cannot reach next year's final at Lord's despite their eight-wicket win at Hagley Oval, the penalty dropped New Zealand from joint fourth to fifth, a major blow to their chances of reaching next year's showpiece game.
India and South Africa are currently in position to contest the final with Australia in third.
"New Zealand and England were both found to have three overs short of the target after time allowances were taken into consideration, with sides penalised one point for each over they were found to be short," said the International Cricket Council (ICC).
Smithy's take on Blackcaps' first Test loss to England | Sport Nation
"Both captains - Tom Latham of New Zealand and Ben Stokes of England - pleaded guilty to the offence and accepted the proposed sanction, so there was no need for a formal hearing."
The ICC said on-field umpires Ahsan Raza and Rod Tucker, third umpire Adrian Holdstock and fourth official Kim Cotton had levelled the charges.
David Boon, of the ICC elite panel of match referees, imposed the sanctions.
England have now been docked 22 points for slow over rates in this cycle, more than twice the next most penalised team, Australia, but they have also played 20 Tests, seven more than the next highest, Australia's 13.
It was the Blackcaps' first offence.
New Zealand, the inaugural World Test Championship winners, need to win the next two matches against England and favourable outcomes from other games if they are to reach next year's final.
The second Test starts in Wellington on Friday.

[Kiwias]

Excellent - they heard my bleating

Really good to see this action taken. It will hopefully spur other teams into ensuring they do not infringe in the same way, though Ben Stokes has perhaps not taken it quite as well as that article would suggest.

Stokes, England's captain, responded to the sanctions with three shrugging emojis and writing on his Instagram story: "Good on you ICC. Finished the game with 10 hours of play still left." England have now been docked 22 WTC points in the 2023-25 cycle for their slow over-rates, having previously lost 19 of the 28 points they gained during the 2023 Ashes series for the same reason.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/new- ... st-1463242

[JM2K6]

I don't think Ben understands that people pay to see a day's play

[Ovals]

Unchanged side for England. Looks like Ollie Robinson has been flown out as a drinks waiter.

[Jethro]

Unchanged side for England. Looks like Ollie Robinson has been flown out as a drinks waiter.

Looks like NZ remains the same as well, with the four quicks selected for the Basin Reserve wicket. Guess we have a couple of part time spinners to complement, but not entirely sure that was the right way to go. For mine Satner and Young should have come in.

[Gumboot]

Unchanged side for England. Looks like Ollie Robinson has been flown out as a drinks waiter.

Looks like NZ remains the same as well, with the four quicks selected for the Basin Reserve wicket. Guess we have a couple of part time spinners to complement, but not entirely sure that was the right way to go. For mine Satner and Young should have come in.

Yep, confirmed it's the same playing XI from ChCh. Would've also preferred to see Santner and Young included.

On the bright side, the weather's looking good for the next few days.

[Kiwias]

Unchanged side for England. Looks like Ollie Robinson has been flown out as a drinks waiter.

Looks like NZ remains the same as well, with the four quicks selected for the Basin Reserve wicket. Guess we have a couple of part time spinners to complement, but not entirely sure that was the right way to go. For mine Satner and Young should have come in.

Yep, confirmed it's the same playing XI from ChCh. Would've also preferred to see Santner and Young included.

On the bright side, the weather's looking good for the next few days.

I too would have loved to see those two players included.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I'd still prefer a ten run per over tariff levelled in game for slow over rates to adjusting the points needed to qualify for a Mickey Mouse event, but it's something at least, odd mind to be penalised by David Boon for moving too slowly

[Enzedder]

Test 2 starts in 90 minutes. Both teams unchanged.

NZ will do the same old things with the same old players and expect a different result.

Late Day 3 and Day 4 could be interesting

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[Gumboot]

Henry gets Duckett caught by Latham for 0.

England 12/1

[Big D]

Crawley was all over the place there. Another failure when he needed to have his wits about him.

Good ball to get him but it was a matter of time.

[Big D]

Good catch, awful shot.

[Gumboot]

Good catch, awful shot.

Yep.

Good start by the Crappers.

[Enzedder]

Back from the hospital - seems I missed all the fun. Now watch England put on a 200 run partnership.

[Enzedder]

Bloody hell - Southee hurt someone with a short ball. That hasn't happened for about 10 years.

[Ovals]

Good to see a sizeable crowd in attendance. They've had their monies worth so far.

[Gumboot]

England 124/4 at Lunch.

Fun first session.

[Ovals]

England 124/4 at Lunch.


Fun first session.

Despite what Harmison says, that was clearly NZ's session. Pitch did a bit but looks pretty decent for batting on now - having lost 4 cheaply we'll once again need our batting depth to post a good total. A quick wicket or two, this afternoon, and NZ will be all over us and there'll be far more pressure on the tail than they will be comfortable with. It's one thing to bash it around from a position of strength - doing it under pressure is another thing altogether. England need a big return from these next two wickets.

Entertaining stuff but it's time for bed !

[Certain Navigator]

England 124/4 at Lunch.


Fun first session.

Despite what Harmison says, that was clearly NZ's session. Pitch did a bit but looks pretty decent for batting on now - having lost 4 cheaply we'll once again need our batting depth to post a good total. A quick wicket or two, this afternoon, and NZ will be all over us and there'll be far more pressure on the tail than they will be comfortable with. It's one thing to bash it around from a position of strength - doing it under pressure is another thing altogether. England need a big return from these next two wickets.

Possibly. The problem for NZ is that, to paraphrase one G Gooch, their attack is all-world at one end (Henry) and the Ilford Seconds at the other (everybody else).

[Gumboot]

Brook and Pope making it look very easy now. England 164/4 and well on track for a massive total.

[Kiwias]

First test all over again.

[Gumboot]

Brook brings up a terrific century.

He's quite a handy batter, eh.

[Kiwias]

Bit of a brainfart by Brook there but slick fielding by Smith to nail him in last over before lunch.

[Gumboot]

Brook run out by Smith in his follow through for an excellent 123.

England 259/7 at Tea.

[Kiwias]

Sneaky Kiwis are holding all their catches today. 267 - 8 now just after tea


My bad!!!