NPR

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:40 am Is it over yet?

Gumboot wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:50 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:40 am Is it over yet?

Yep.

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 2:06 am

Gumboot wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:50 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:40 am Is it over yet?

Yep.

Good. Should I blame the ref?

Kiwias wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:05 am One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:37 am

Kiwias wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:05 am One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

Pretty much agree with you here. Uncharacteristically poor fielding from the BCs really let England away and after that it was all in the head and over. One of those games where the overall effect from one aspect ( the poor fielding) is a bit of a distortion. We'll see, I guess.

Kiwias wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:05 am One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

Ovals wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 11:42 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:37 am

Kiwias wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:05 am One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

Pretty much agree with you here. Uncharacteristically poor fielding from the BCs really let England away and after that it was all in the head and over. One of those games where the overall effect from one aspect ( the poor fielding) is a bit of a distortion. We'll see, I guess.

Yep - the difference between the two sides was totally due to NZ's abysmal catching. They turned a match winning position into a losing one. The way England play, they will give chances - you simply have to hold on to them or they'll turn the game around in a heartbeat.

Jethro wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:10 pm

Kiwias wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:05 am One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

And the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is?

Time to clean out the actually Board, they are not advancing the game in NZ, are making the same mistakes we have been making since the 1970s, and have proven to be absolutely gutless when it comes to taking action. We can then look at the team.

Kiwias wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:27 am

Jethro wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:10 pm

Kiwias wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:05 am One or two odd selections, a couple of key players out of form, appallingly bad catching throughout. Let's not all panic. We die-hard BC supporters have seen it all before.

And the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is?

Time to clean out the actually Board, they are not advancing the game in NZ, are making the same mistakes we have been making since the 1970s, and have proven to be absolutely gutless when it comes to taking action. We can then look at the team.

I agree that nobody expected the 3 - 0 whitewash of India in India.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:36 am

Kiwias wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:27 am

Jethro wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 8:10 pm

And the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time is?

Time to clean out the actually Board, they are not advancing the game in NZ, are making the same mistakes we have been making since the 1970s, and have proven to be absolutely gutless when it comes to taking action. We can then look at the team.

I agree that nobody expected the 3 - 0 whitewash of India in India.

Blackcaps' WTC final hopes dealt blow by points docking for slow over rate
AAP • December 4th, 2024 9:00 am

England and New Zealand have been deducted three World Test Championship points for slow over rates during their series opener in Christchurch.
Both teams were also fined 15 per cent of their match fees for the offence.
Although England cannot reach next year's final at Lord's despite their eight-wicket win at Hagley Oval, the penalty dropped New Zealand from joint fourth to fifth, a major blow to their chances of reaching next year's showpiece game.
India and South Africa are currently in position to contest the final with Australia in third.
"New Zealand and England were both found to have three overs short of the target after time allowances were taken into consideration, with sides penalised one point for each over they were found to be short," said the International Cricket Council (ICC).
Smithy's take on Blackcaps' first Test loss to England | Sport Nation
"Both captains - Tom Latham of New Zealand and Ben Stokes of England - pleaded guilty to the offence and accepted the proposed sanction, so there was no need for a formal hearing."
The ICC said on-field umpires Ahsan Raza and Rod Tucker, third umpire Adrian Holdstock and fourth official Kim Cotton had levelled the charges.
David Boon, of the ICC elite panel of match referees, imposed the sanctions.
England have now been docked 22 points for slow over rates in this cycle, more than twice the next most penalised team, Australia, but they have also played 20 Tests, seven more than the next highest, Australia's 13.
It was the Blackcaps' first offence.
New Zealand, the inaugural World Test Championship winners, need to win the next two matches against England and favourable outcomes from other games if they are to reach next year's final.
The second Test starts in Wellington on Friday.

Enzedder wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:30 pm Excellent - they heard my bleating

Stokes, England's captain, responded to the sanctions with three shrugging emojis and writing on his Instagram story: "Good on you ICC. Finished the game with 10 hours of play still left." England have now been docked 22 WTC points in the 2023-25 cycle for their slow over-rates, having previously lost 19 of the 28 points they gained during the 2023 Ashes series for the same reason.

Ovals wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:20 pm Unchanged side for England. Looks like Ollie Robinson has been flown out as a drinks waiter.

Jethro wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:01 am

Ovals wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:20 pm Unchanged side for England. Looks like Ollie Robinson has been flown out as a drinks waiter.

Looks like NZ remains the same as well, with the four quicks selected for the Basin Reserve wicket. Guess we have a couple of part time spinners to complement, but not entirely sure that was the right way to go. For mine Satner and Young should have come in.

Gumboot wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:10 am

Jethro wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:01 am

Ovals wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:20 pm Unchanged side for England. Looks like Ollie Robinson has been flown out as a drinks waiter.

Looks like NZ remains the same as well, with the four quicks selected for the Basin Reserve wicket. Guess we have a couple of part time spinners to complement, but not entirely sure that was the right way to go. For mine Satner and Young should have come in.

Yep, confirmed it's the same playing XI from ChCh. Would've also preferred to see Santner and Young included.

On the bright side, the weather's looking good for the next few days.

Strong Wind Warning - Orange
Period: 14hrs from 5pm Sun, 8 Dec - 7am Mon, 9 Dec
Area: Wellington and Wairarapa south of Masterton
Forecast: Severe northwest gale gusting 140 km/h in exposed places. Low chance of upgrading to a Red Warning.
Impact: Damage to trees, powerlines, and unsecured structures possible. Driving may be difficult, especially for high-sided vehicles and motorcycles.

Big D wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:47 pm Good catch, awful shot.

Gumboot wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:04 am England 124/4 at Lunch.


Fun first session.

Ovals wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:12 am

Gumboot wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:04 am England 124/4 at Lunch.


Fun first session.

Despite what Harmison says, that was clearly NZ's session. Pitch did a bit but looks pretty decent for batting on now - having lost 4 cheaply we'll once again need our batting depth to post a good total. A quick wicket or two, this afternoon, and NZ will be all over us and there'll be far more pressure on the tail than they will be comfortable with. It's one thing to bash it around from a position of strength - doing it under pressure is another thing altogether. England need a big return from these next two wickets.